What's best in highly sensitive/efficient speakers.
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Real home in vivo test: 5-way horn (in DIY).
Horn low, EV Patrician IV (with EVM18B): 4 Watt / 109dB (some more, before amp clipping, setting classe A, Monster-Hiraga. Or SE300B)
Other horns low-mid & mid (WE66A/Iwata ….): 1/10Watt
Is it “the best” … I don’t no (probably one of ...).
But, in (full) percussion it’s breathless ….. & devine.
Crazy test (& ear plug)
Karel
Real home in vivo test: 5-way horn (in DIY).
Horn low, EV Patrician IV (with EVM18B): 4 Watt / 109dB (some more, before amp clipping, setting classe A, Monster-Hiraga. Or SE300B)
Other horns low-mid & mid (WE66A/Iwata ….): 1/10Watt
Is it “the best” … I don’t no (probably one of ...).
But, in (full) percussion it’s breathless ….. & devine.
Crazy test (& ear plug)
Karel
Hi Ken.
... I appreciate ....
I think, Mahler "like" his music .... even my daughter with "Metallica" & Wagner reloaded "Apocalyptica" .....
Karel
I had asked about the Tune Audio Marvel because there is one in my area and I plan on demoing it next week. Next month I'll have a chance to hear the Zu Definition (apparently a model without the built-in subwoofer and amp). At present, there is no chance that I know of for me to hear a Tune Audio Anima, hORNS Universum, or any of the Odeon models in my area.
Tune Audio Anima and hORNs universum are easily superior. Both are very different though. Marc hates horns and will recommend the Zus.
I’m a bit confused by this Zu Definition that you’re hearing.
By definition, sorry , it’s a model w built in sub/amp.
Maybe this is a model Zu are thinking of bringing out based on the Definition?
FWIW, this spkr extends full range down to 35-45Hz in room (in my old space I achieved 45, here 35), and so needs sub bass augmentation.
Are you going to hear it w Zu subs (Undertone or Submission), or someone else’s subs?
I think if you don’t, you may feel shortchanged.
By definition, sorry , it’s a model w built in sub/amp.
Maybe this is a model Zu are thinking of bringing out based on the Definition?
FWIW, this spkr extends full range down to 35-45Hz in room (in my old space I achieved 45, here 35), and so needs sub bass augmentation.
Are you going to hear it w Zu subs (Undertone or Submission), or someone else’s subs?
I think if you don’t, you may feel shortchanged.
Ked, I don’t hate horns, but I will recommend Zu.
I guess a 50% strike rate on Fake News from you is pretty good going.
I guess a 50% strike rate on Fake News from you is pretty good going.
I have pair of Marvels in my home office system:
They don't have the mid-range purity of the Animas (in my main system) - but then again, very few other speakers I've ever heard anywhere do. Otherwise, I think they're really good. The top end is virtually identical to the Animas', and the bottom end is very powerful (really room-shaking), though less nuanced than the Animas'. For the 1/3 of their retail price that I paid for them used, I think the Marvels are truly 'Marvel'ous. Not sure I'd pay full retail for them, or how they compete with other offerings at that price point.
HTH.
Mani.
I meant those two horns - anima and universum. You don't like both. Though Unis you heard only at a hifi show in 2014 or so
About the Zu's here is the email I received from the vendor: "In 2-3 weeks I’m getting a pair of Zu deaf heads. They are the same as the Definition with out the build in sub."
I heard Manisandher's Tune Audio Anima which he drives with a First Watt clone amp that cost him 1k. Direct from the Phasure dac, though he has his rear wall all lined with fantastic classical LPs that he uses only as diffusers for his main stereo system 
Just fantastic. It made me realize why I liked Animas so much. I hadn't heard them since the Munich 2016 show, and before had heard them often. Now, after a gap, just loved them again. The tone of the strings, woodwinds, and brass is magical, as is the chest of the baritone. And this in a 5.1 x 4.3m room. Even in such a room (Animas can do even better in bigger rooms), the soundstage was big and coherent, no harshness, just musicality. I could easily buy these, if they were cheaper and in my budget, or if they come up used at a good price, will buy
Just fantastic. It made me realize why I liked Animas so much. I hadn't heard them since the Munich 2016 show, and before had heard them often. Now, after a gap, just loved them again. The tone of the strings, woodwinds, and brass is magical, as is the chest of the baritone. And this in a 5.1 x 4.3m room. Even in such a room (Animas can do even better in bigger rooms), the soundstage was big and coherent, no harshness, just musicality. I could easily buy these, if they were cheaper and in my budget, or if they come up used at a good price, will buy
Exlibris, I’m a little nonplussed at this. The Definitions are just more complete speakers w the subs. Happy to chat more by PM if you wish, I’ve been running the 2s and 4s for a decade now.
Pretty much all I know about the Universum and the Anima is from reading posts on this forum. On vocals, am I right in assuming that the Anima sounds more immediate and palpable but the Universum sounds more open and free of enclosure (horn/box) colouration?
It was good to meet you Ked, and I'm glad the Animas lived up to your high expectations, even in my modest room. I'll let you know if/when I get around to bi-amping them.
Mani.
Yes. Anima have a horn and wood sound (in a good way) and the universum are more like stats but with more bass than quads. However words don't mean much as I like both and while I can describe differences, words can make one sound more negative to the other but that won't be the case. It will really come down to preference. However both will be easily superior to the others mentioned especially for jazz and classical.
Depends what you listen to more - classical, jazz, rock, electronic. More vocals or piano or orchestra etc
I'm pretty much a rock and singer-writer guy; think Neil Young -- I need his solo acoustic stuff to sound great and his heavier stuff with Crazy Horse to be satisfying as well.
My suggestions were not based on that music. Though Zep sounds better on Anima, as does ACDC, and the Anima distro is a prog rock fan. That said, Avantgarde might be better for rock, and the box like woofers of the duos might be preferred by those who prefer amplified. Just a guess.
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