Ron’s New System
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Its the dynamics and presence that impress...as we have seen in countless videos, most systems color the sound compared to the recording as such. The aspects it does well it does almost incomparably well.
I get what you are saying Ron; however, despite the system being uneven in overall performance the things it does right (dynamics and presence) are things your systems will never be able to do (unless you get a big horn system of course). So, it comes down to what you value most in reproduction. If tonality is the end all, be all, for you then I can see why this doesn't do it for you. Sounding like live music is a lot more around dynamics and presence than tonality because, as we have all heard, tonality shifts around a lot live. Different venues and performers can drastically shift around tonality. Now, of course timbre of instruments needs to be correct (a cello needs to sound like a cello and not a viola or bass). Home systems generally fail in the ease of dynamics and scaling.
This is why I like the Living Voice Vox Olympian/Elyssian so much. It takes what this WE speaker does so well and has all the tonality/timbre correct as well...closest thing to live I have ever heard. I like this WE setup despite the coloration because it gets the essence of live correct.
I agree about dynamics, presence and timbre as ingredients for evoking a sense of live. Wrt the place of tonality, frequency balance to a degree -- if you consider that an aspect of tonality -- plays a role as well. Artifical tonal depth via delay or reverb is a big detractor from live and used too much to simulate live.
I listened to that track on my system (same version on Qobuz). Of course I love Edith Piaf, but I felt compelled to listen on my toy system to a "vintage" mono vocal record after listening to that track.... I don't have Piaf, but Patsy Cline is pretty good as well:
Very satisfying - why? I don't know. Certainly not "Whats Best". I wish I did have a WE 12 in a corner of my living room to play this...but that is never going to happen.
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Not having heard the speakers in person, I can only go by the video, listening over laptop and headphones. The dynamics are average, and while presence is nice, I can get that over my humble factory-issued car radio as well.
When I sit in front of my stereo and a singer palpably stands in front of me, with expressive volume fluctuations that at times make the voice explode into the space -- now *that's* presence and dynamics.
We don't have to agree on these things - the seductive character of sound is something quite personal and "presence" is a subjective attribute.
Nice sound on my iPadFinally, video - Soular energy on Ron’s system
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I notice the preamp part of the Aesthetix Io is missing, maybe it has gone to Las Vegas for the weekend ? As Ron claims never to have problems with it Sure Al, your little system has better dynamics…right…never mind that this room is probably at least 5x bigger than yours. Put your speakers in there and let’s see how dynamic they sound.
As I said, I can only go by the video sound. I cannot speak for the experience of hearing the speakers in person.
Don't ascribe to videos a sound that is just not in there (most system video fans appear to make that mistake). You may, from memory, be projecting onto videos the sound and dynamics of the actual speakers in the room, but that's not what's factually in the video. That's emotional projection, sidestepping an analytical attitude.
What does owning a system have to do with learning?
If all you did was listen to your own system, the best you could do would be to tune that one system very well. But you would have no idea what anything else could do. You would have no data points to try and push your system towards a sound you may prefer better.
I would say, hearing 50 systems would help one to be much more educated about audio reproduction equipment than owning one system and hearing 5 others. Especially if the others you hear are similar style gear to your own.
If all you did was listen to your own system, the best you could do would be to tune that one system very well. But you would have no idea what anything else could do. You would have no data points to try and push your system towards a sound you may prefer better.
I would say, hearing 50 systems would help one to be much more educated about audio reproduction equipment than owning one system and hearing 5 others. Especially if the others you hear are similar style gear to your own.
If your comment doesn't relate to my system, or to topics I have discussed, start a new thread!
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Your not discussing learning as a part of deciding what to purchase and how to tune?
Hearing many systems helps but committing to owning one is the part we need to learn at least at first. How many years ron had his loved speakers in storage ? Then quickly pushes them aside for new . This is I think is having audio memories that did no longer equate to his new experience after hearing many different systems .
it's part of this journey .
Owning puts you at the helm to control all not an easy place to be once your there. To just hear systems who they spent years to get to shows us exactly what ?
it's part of this journey .
Owning puts you at the helm to control all not an easy place to be once your there. To just hear systems who they spent years to get to shows us exactly what ?
Ron, perhaps if you could briefly explain to us what you think of the sound of your system and what you are trying to improve and why, your system thread may get back on track. You seem to be searching. What are you searching for and why?
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