How Good a CD Transport is Required to Sound Better than Streaming?

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There seems to be a fairly solid consensus (Lucasz Ficus, LL21, Al M, etc.) that CD playback or computer file playback, or perhaps both, sound better than streaming (assuming, of course, that all other variables, including the DAC, are held constant).

But I assume that one cannot assume that any device that can spin a CD necessarily will achieve better sound quality than will streaming.

So how good a CD transport does one need to achieve CD playback which sounds better than streaming? Where do the lines (rising sound quality of better transport and streaming sound quality) cross?
 
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It's not the source that is paramount importance to me, it's the medium, the music. I have 3,750 ethnic recordings on LP, 78, CD and cassettes. 85% are NOT available for streaming. I have 1,000s and 1,000s of 78s, LPs and CDs which are not streamed and probably will never be streamed. Next, what if streamed music becomes no longer available? Pulled in favor of other recordings, etc? At least 50% and maybe 70% of my music collection is NOT available for streaming. Then there is the issue of information concerning the recordings. To my knowledge, streaming has close to no information concerning recordings. Discogs is the best source of recording information. Sorry, streaming is for people who are either lazy (which is fine for relaxing and listening to whatever is available for streaming), have virtually no or limited storage capabilities, have limited funds for purchasing/acquiring physical media or equipment to play it on, are uninterested in knowing anything concerning the provence or recording information, hearing unheard music, hearing new recordings, hearing recordings that should be heard, etc. Many reasons. It is NOT for people who want to hear music which is unavailable generally. Youtube has a better selection in MP3 format and in whatever form/quality the poster has submitted.

What you stated is both true but does not emphasize the MUSIC. If it's not available for streaming, it goes unheard.
Narrow music choice is not a legitimate argument against streaming. And the “laziness” aspersion is even more ridiculous in my opinion.

Of course, if you’re into collecting rare recordings on 78’s ….. why would even think such recordings would be available?

But maybe you want to listen to 15 or 20 versions of Beethoven’s piano sonatas? There are probably very few lp collections that are as deep.
 
I have 16,100 CDs. I tried the switch on at least a dozen CDs of various labels and dates of pressing. I prefer (as did several audiophile, music loving friends who heard it too) the 16/44 into a Lampizator Poseidon and Topping D70s DACs. While bit perfect, some loss of cohesive sonics were found at the higher sampling rate. We just did not like it as much. The Shanling ET3 transport sounded better (enjoyable) than the higher sampled CDt3 Mk3 so it remains at 16/44 for the past year.

Let me note that the power cable into the Jay's Audio transport is critical in my system. Five other low to high end cables were tried and they failed to sound acceptable. Only the Grover Huffman ZX+ and Westminster Labs Ultra power cables were great and enjoyable. The VS/Masterbuilt would probably be great too. Other cables tried sounded excellent on the DAC but not on the Jay's.

Another feature of the Jay's CDt3 Mk3 is that it flawlessly played disintegrating CDrs, wherein the CDrs were either poorer quality older or exposed to heat/sunlight. Attempting playing on many transports including a Philips CD player with it's CDM-9 swing arm mechanism did not work and the first tracks (2 28 and 27 track CDrs played up to 9 and then stopped) would play and then skips or stopped playing. I was able to copy the discs to my Alesis Masterlink via the Jay's transport through a DAC. The Jay's really obtains everything off a disc possible.
I have the CDT3. I had trouble with it skipping on 2 or 3 discs. These were discs that had skipped on other players (incidentally, those skips finally pushed me to getting the Jay's). I cleaned the discs with isopropyl alcohol and a microfiber cloth and, what do you know, skipping stopped. Could I have saved myself $5k? Maybe, but I don't regret the purchase.
 
I have the CDT3. I had trouble with it skipping on 2 or 3 discs. These were discs that had skipped on other players (incidentally, those skips finally pushed me to getting the Jay's). I cleaned the discs with isopropyl alcohol and a microfiber cloth and, what do you know, skipping stopped. Could I have saved myself $5k? Maybe, but I don't regret the purchase.

Well, you got the extra sound quality!
 
How do you organize your CD collection? The small print makes it really difficult for me to find things quickly.
First I use can-am CD storage units for singles/doubles discs. They are in order per music genre (pop vocal, pop instrumental, classical orchestral, vocal, instruments, chamber, same with jazz as classical. https://www.can-am.ca/CD-storage-DVD-storage.htm

Then I have wall storage units for box sets from opera, collections of performers same by genre and subdivision as the storage cabinets. Similar for LPs but all wall mounted in a similar system. I only have 18,000 recordings in the adjacent room with about 4,000 CDs (mostly the boxed sets) on my rear listening room wall. SImilar storage in a storage shed and one garage. Pending transferring the remaining 12,000 to 14,000 LPs and CDs to another storage shed, currently held in another of my nearby homes.

Premade wall mount shelving units specifically designed for CDs are the least expensive method. I do love my more expensive Can-Am units though.
 
Well, I still enjoy my Edison phonograph cylinders from time to time ...
I have several cylinders but can't play them. So many though transferred on LPs and CDs by Marston and other great remastering engineers. I almost had a large collection in the late 1970s when Thomas Chandler wanted me to appraise his 30,000 classical and vocal cylinders but alas, I just commenced law school and resided 90 miles away. He passed away soon after my graduation. Freitas of Brazil bought the 1.5 million record collection.
 
I have the CDT3. I had trouble with it skipping on 2 or 3 discs. These were discs that had skipped on other players (incidentally, those skips finally pushed me to getting the Jay's). I cleaned the discs with isopropyl alcohol and a microfiber cloth and, what do you know, skipping stopped. Could I have saved myself $5k? Maybe, but I don't regret the purchase.
Maybe but it plays a half dozen of my faded CDs from the 1980s which don't play on any other units I've tried other than the Shanling ET3. My Alesis Masterlink which typically can play scratched CDs also stopped at the faded areas. Not a skip or change in sound. Wonderful transport.
 
(...) I almost had a large collection in the late 1970s when Thomas Chandler wanted me to appraise his 30,000 classical and vocal cylinders but alas, I just commenced law school and resided 90 miles away. (...)
You would have got a lifetime hobby! Do you know how many different tittles were issued on cylinders?
 
Having reached this far, can we say -- in summary -- that we have reached any preliminary conclusions?
I would have thought that, presently, streaming can be way more complex (LAN optimisation, wires, PS for every device, etc) than placing a disc in a transport and connecting it via a wire to the DAC and another chord to the mains....
 
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Having reached this far, can we say -- in summary -- that we have reached any preliminary conclusions?
I would have thought that, presently, streaming can be way more complex (LAN optimisation, wires, PS for every device, etc) than placing a disc in a transport and connecting it via a wire to the DAC and another chord to the mains....
Well, streaming is easy but quality sonics are not as easy.
 
You would have got a lifetime hobby! Do you know how many different tittles were issued on cylinders?
500,000 to 750,000 with 100,000+ of those being amateur, private or non-commercial cylinders. Minimum 140,000 to 255,000 on known labels. So many were destroyed and unaccounted for which is probably the reason for the higher estimates.
 
Having reached this far, can we say -- in summary -- that we have reached any preliminary conclusions?
I would have thought that, presently, streaming can be way more complex (LAN optimisation, wires, PS for every device, etc) than placing a disc in a transport and connecting it via a wire to the DAC and another chord to the mains....

I'm not sure streaming needs to be complex. The little WiiM streamer that I bought simply works as a single box on WiFi if I understand correctly (I haven't installed it yet). At a friend's house it sounded surprisingly good, better than all his prior complex streaming solutions. Let's see how good my WiFi is. If it's much worse than it was at my friend's house I may end up with the dreaded synthetic "plastic" streaming sound that I have heard too many times. Who knows. Maybe my WiFi (via a little AT&T mini tower in the second floor) is good and the sound will be just fine. I'll find out at some point.

I guess if I would want top quality streaming the setup would become more complex, I don't know.

But yes, CD transport is easy. Mine is fed from an external clock but that doesn't add much complexity (ok, maybe it does -- extra digital cable and power cord).
 
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I'm not sure streaming needs to be complex. The little WiiM streamer that I bought simply works as a single box on WiFi if I understand correctly (I haven't installed it yet). At a friend's house it sounded surprisingly good, better than all his prior complex streaming solutions. Let's see how good my WiFi is. If it's much worse than it was at my friend's house I may end up with the dreaded synthetic "plastic" streaming sound that I have heard too many times. Who knows. Maybe my WiFi (via a little AT&T mini tower in the second floor) is good and the sound will be just fine. I'll find out at some point.
I use the WiiM Pro (with WiFi) and have zero complaints about the sound and functionality. I have never used a high end streamer (in my low end system), but have heard plenty (in high end systems) which I did not find convincing. Perhaps the DAC and amplification come into play as well. Let us know what you think...

Here's the WiiM Pro at work (with Qobuz Connect):



I guess I am easy to please.
 
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I'm not sure streaming needs to be complex. The little WiiM streamer that I bought simply works as a single box on WiFi if I understand correctly (I haven't installed it yet). At a friend's house it sounded surprisingly good, better than all his prior complex streaming solutions. Let's see how good my WiFi is. If it's much worse than it was at my friend's house I may end up with the dreaded synthetic "plastic" streaming sound that I have heard too many times. Who knows. Maybe my WiFi (via a little AT&T mini tower in the second floor) is good and the sound will be just fine. I'll find out at some point.

I guess if I would want top quality streaming the setup would become more complex, I don't know.

But yes, CD transport is easy. Mine is fed from an external clock but that doesn't add much complexity (ok, maybe it does -- extra digital cable and power cord).
Why not fire up the WiiM, see if you can make it through a whole album.
 
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At present, i use the Wiim Pro coax output into my PD MPD-8. note, the Wiim benefits from the Muon Pro, the Ediscreation Silent Switch Extreme, and the Uptone Audio LPS powering the router & also the Wiim (via a custom Ghent Audio cable) as all SMPS must be removed from streaming path for streaming to be OK. i admit in this context i find the Wiim *very* satisfying despite having downgraded to it from the Aurender w20se.

all that said, it doesn't hold a candle to the Jays CD3 mk 2 i have.
 
At present, i use the Wiim Pro coax output into my PD MPD-8. note, the Wiim benefits from the Muon Pro, the Ediscreation Silent Switch Extreme, and the Uptone Audio LPS powering the router & also the Wiim (via a custom Ghent Audio cable) as all SMPS must be removed from streaming path for streaming to be OK. i admit in this context i find the Wiim *very* satisfying despite having downgraded to it from the Aurender w20se.

all that said, it doesn't hold a candle to the Jays CD3 mk 2 i have.

With digital, everyone's experience seems to be specific. There are many reasons that could explain this.
 
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With digital, everyone's experience seems to be specific.
agree. simply too many variations to throw out absolutes.
There are many reasons that could explain this.
i do enjoy my TEAC VRDS 701T CD transport. it was barely ok and a little threadbare sounding (in the context of my other 'uber' sources) as a stand alone transport into my dac in direct compare to my streaming. then i connected it to my stand alone clock, with a high quality digital cable and the sound improved dramatically. but still lower level than my streaming.

in many systems with even a modest dac the TEAC is likely pretty good naked and a solid value. and it's built like a tank. but these things are all about context.
 
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