"If you don't have a $200k [speaker]..."

[JackD201]

it will be very simple to avoid words and just post videos of 200k plus speakers you think are sounding good in that system set up.

short and sweet for your mobile phone

Not for you sport

 

[bonzo75]

short and sweet for your mobile phone

Not for you sport

Agreed, if readers hear the sound that comes out of those price tags no more sport.

 

[Ron Resnick]

We don't talk about them collectively as often as we should I think because not many people in the USA have heard any of them, but I think the Goebel Divin Majestic sounds amazing. The Divin line is relatively high sensitivity, relatively few drivers (3-ways) and relatively simple crossovers.

The larger the model, the higher the sensitivity:

Majestic 98dB

Noblesse 95dB

Marquis 92dB

(I have written many times that I think the Wilson XVX sounds amazing. I would love to be able to compare directly in the same room and the same system the XVX to the Majestic. This to me would be a very interesting comparison in the over $200,000 range because each speaker represents a genuinely different philosophy to dynamic driver sound reproduction. Purely based on simpler design and higher sensitivity, if I had to guess, I bet I would probably prefer the Majestic.)

 

[JackD201]

Agreed, if readers hear the sound that comes out of those price tags no more sport.

Whatever you say

 

[JackD201]

We don't talk about them collectively as often as we should I think because many people in the USA have not heard any of them, but I think the Goebel Divin Majestic sounds anazing! The Divin line is relatively high sensitivity, relatively few drivers (3-ways) and relatively simple crossovers.

The larger the model, the higher, the sensitivity:

Majestic 98dB

Noblesse 95dB

Marquis 92dB

Physics is the reason typically

 

[bonzo75]

We don't talk about them collectively as often as we should I think because many people in the USA have not heard any of them, but I think the Goebel Divin Majestic sounds anazing! The Divin line is relatively high sensitivity, relatively few drivers (3-ways) and relatively simple crossovers.

The larger the model, the higher, the sensitivity:

Majestic 98dB

Noblesse 95dB

Marquis 92dB

Yes Howie had Noblesse with Koda K70 (which he chose over Goldmund and Engstrom), he also did a video shoot for the forum, which accurately reflected his in room perceptions.

He then moved to Tannoy Westminster, and then to AN-E and is very happy.

 

[bonzo75]

The larger the model, the higher, the sensitivity:

Majestic 98dB

Noblesse 95dB

Marquis 92dB

Hi Ron, bigger issues of bigger speakers need not be about sensitivity only, or efficiency. There could be coherence issues due to more drivers. I have no idea about the Goebbel size increase range so not referring to that.

Overall sensitivity of speaker can be meaningless if upper drive is 16 ohm, the woofer is 4 ohmsand there is an impedance drop to 1.5 ohms somewhere along the way, and correction for a hard phase angle, or 4 drivers with differing characteristics.

Take for example Altec 817. Big, all out speaker. 2-way, all drivers firing in same direction, same impedance (8 ohm) for top and bottom, same sensitivity for top and bottom, phase coherent, not one firing backwards through a port with one forward, time aligned, and first order crossover.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Yes Howie had those with Kida K70 (which he chose over Goldmund and Engstrom), he also did a video shoot for the forum, which accurately reflected his in room perceptions.

He then moved to Tannoy Westminster, and then to AN-E and is very happy.

This is a very interesting data point, and an interesting progression. I, personally, do not understand this progression at all. For me personally I would lose suspension of disbelief with each step to a smaller speaker.

Are you sure it has nothing to do with downsizing residence or downsizing listening room? That could be an independent variable, which renders meaningless any assumed implication of this progression.

 

[Al M.]

Our local Wilson/Magico distributor is also a Devialet distributor. I have listened to all of them side by side. I know why I prefer the "boutique" high-end speakers.

An interesting topic. Could you please elaborate why you preferred the "boutique" high-end speakers to those little Devialets?

So far the description of the Devialets here has been intriguing, but it sounds too good to be true. Usually, when it sounds like that, it actually *is* too good to be true.

 

[andromedaaudio]

He then moved to Tannoy Westminster, and then to AN-E and is very happy.

Sounds more like degradation to me
Some people dont like non resonant housings ," makes the sound dead they say ."
Those people indeed dont need to spend that much on a cone LS , a resonating box is easy to make

 

[Gregadd]

Yes I know. But the way you wrote it was too tempting.

Exotic birds require research. Wilson is like Coca Cola, [emphasis supplied] arms length distribution.

Dave Wilson rolled over in his grave.

If I were so inclined and enabled, my choice would be Von Schwiekert Ultra 7 or9.

 

[bonzo75]

This is a very interesting data point, and an interesting progression. I, personally, do not understand this progression at all. For me personally I would lose suspension of disbelief with each step to a smaller speaker.

Are you sure it has nothing to do with downsizing residence or downsizing listening room? That could be an independent variable, which renders meaningless any assumed implication of this progression.

No downsizing residence or room.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Overall sensitivity of speaker can be meaningless if upper drive is 16 ohm, the woofer is 4 ohmsand there is an impedance drop to 1.5 ohms somewhere along the way, and correction for a hard phase angle, or 4 drivers with differing characteristics.

Of course, I agree with this. I should've mentioned that the Divins drop only to 3.3 ohms or 3.4 ohms from their nominal impedance of 4 ohms. I have no idea about phase angle on them.

I would be curious for you to hear outside of a show the Majestic or the Noblesse.

 

[Lagonda]

Hmmm.. just wondering why a loudspeaker like the Phantom Gold that can reproduce a 14 Hz bass signal at 108 dB is called “puny”. Could you name me one speaker from a boutique brand like Magico or Wilson that can do this? I use a Klipsch La Scala, which can easily reproduce a signal at 120 dB, but the La Scala will not go below 50 Hz or so by design. It’s intended to be a low distortion design. Unlike boutique high end speakers that have massive distortion in the bass, the La Scala will reproduce a 50 Hz signal at 110 dB with 0.1% THD — don’t try that with your Magico, you’ll have a large repair bill for blown woofers. But the La Scala will not go lower.

To reproduce 14 Hz sub bass notes at 108 dB, Devialet used experts in the physics of explosives. I can assure you Magico or Wilson have no such expertise. They use drivers made by some other companies, they don‘t make their own drivers. Just because a Magico or Wilson is 6 feet tall and weighs a thousand pounds means nothing at all. It’s a question of physics.

I find it funny when someone using a speaker with limited bass capabilities, but great sound, advertises the virtues of a small high tech offering with great numbers on paper. When are you getting your own Phantom Gold speakers ? Actually listening to speakers is quiet different than measuring them. I am sure your Klipsch outperform the Devialet in every parameter except measurements. As for experts in physics of explosives their mandatory working equipment include these.

 

[andromedaaudio]

Good one lol.

So you wanna design loudspeakers sir ?
Yes .
Have you ever worked with explosives before ?
Yes i worked 30 years in underground mining .
Fantastic you got the job
Your mainjob will consist of blowing up speakers from competitors

 

[Ron Resnick]

Sounds more like degradation to me

I think it is interesting to try to understand someone's genuine sonic preference. I don't see any value in insulting that subjective preference.

 

[bonzo75]

I would be curious for you to hear outside of a show the Majestic or the Noblesse.

Model name confusion. Howie had the Noblesse.

The smaller Marquis I have heard in London with CH Precision, including the L10 preamp, and Monaco 2.0/Kuzma/Opus. We also did a Soulution 725 vs L10 compare there.

Roy Gregory will soon help set it up and I will hear again.

 

[andromedaaudio]

I think it is interesting to try to understand someone's genuine sonic preference. I don't see any value in insulting that subjective preference.

Look ron ked pretends to know everything and basically sees his way as the only way.
If somebody else would ve said it i might have said nothing .

 

[Ron Resnick]

Model name confusion. Howie had the Noblesse.

The smaller Marquis I have heard in London with CH Precision, including the L10 preamp, and Monaco 2.0/Kuzma/Opus. We also did a Soulution 725 vs L10 compare there.

Roy Gregory will soon help set it up and I will hear again.

OK. You know I naturally have a theoretical preference for the D'Appolito array design. I would like you to hear the Majestic or the Noblesse -- on tubes.

 

[bonzo75]

This is a very interesting data point, and an interesting progression. I, personally, do not understand this progression at all. For me personally I would lose suspension of disbelief with each step to a smaller speaker.

I would suggest that all those with big speakers and with budget so that they could afford these big speakers, do a relative inexpensive experiment. That goes for you, Tang, Wilson owners, panel owners, etc. Not discriminating

Buy Devore Orangutan O96, used. And a NAF 2a3 integrated. So you require very little space or electronics in terms of storage on floor or rack in your audio room.

Then, for a few weeks, move your big speakers back, put the Devore with NAF 2a3 in. And just listen. You will need a few weeks to position speaker at right position, and get used to the new sound.

Experiment should be carried out with good quality LPs, original Deccas, EMIs, etc, which have massive soundstage on orchestral. and of course with some small chamber. Variety of LPs are required though.

Space is required from the side walls and front wall. So not recommended for those who keep big speakers in small rooms.