Videos of Acoustically-Coupled Audio Recordings

[Carlos269]

There is only one way a violin sounds in real life…you know that…right?

I believe that it was you that posted the video of the different sounds of the different violins wasn’t it?

 

[morricab]

I believe that it was you that posted the video of the different sounds of the different violins wasn’t it?

Yes, and they all have plenty…of wood.

 

[Ron Resnick]

It’s not the subjective preference that is in question, Ron. If you are going to interject then at least get up to speed on the full discussion.

About what am I not up to speed?

 

[microstrip]

Exactly! Subjective hobby, personal preferences.

Yes, but the main reason for such wide range personal preferences are the intrinsic limitations of the stereo system and the fact that sound reproduction does not aim at reproducing a physical facsimile of the reality - some that it can't even do!

I feel like some of our collective discussions run aground when we mistake our subjective, personal preferences for some form of objective sonic truth.

Yes again Ron. But how can an authoritative expert persuade our members that they like a poor sound quality and are not knowledgeable if their own preference is not an absolute reference?

 

[hopkins]

Gentlemen, it is great to discover all these systems, and to see how passionate everyone is about their "creation" Let's make sure this thread doesn't get closed or that people won't apprehend posting their system videos.

 

[Al M.]

I feel like some of our collective discussions run aground when we mistake our subjective, personal preferences for some form of objective sonic truth.

True. But when Carlos goes around proud like a peacock how good his WAAR system is, and "The Smarter Way" to boot, then he or anyone else should not be surprised when the sound of his with such superior minded attitude presented videos gets criticized.

Especially when the sound falls outside the (already generous) range of believability how unamplified live music can sound, depending on instruments, acoustics of venue, distance from performers etc.

 

[hopkins]

This absurd Jack Ziegler cartoon reminds me of this thread

 

[Rexp]

Exactly! Subjective hobby, personal preferences.

I feel like some of our collective discussions run aground when we mistake our subjective, personal preferences for some form of objective sonic truth.

Objective sonic truth does exist. Don't get sucked in by the 'its all subjective ' crowd.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Objective sonic truth does exist. Don't get sucked in by the 'its all subjective ' crowd.

I don't think it's all subjective. But I am one of the leaders of the "it's mostly subjective" crowd.

And I believe that some objectivity can be suggested, if not proven, by statistically valid polling.

 

[Rexp]

I don't think it's all subjective. But I am one of the leaders of the "it's mostly subjective" crowd.

And I believe that some objectivity can be suggested, if not proven, by statistically valid polling.

Sure, perhaps we can drop the 'objective' part and aim for sonic truth.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Sure, perhaps we can drop the 'objective' part and aim for sonic truth.

I think the concept of "truth" circles us back inevitably to "objective."

 

[Rexp]

I think the concept of "truth" circles us back inevitably to "objective."

Well if 100 blindfolded violinists in a room can guess correctly whether a violin or a viola is being played, I will take their judgement as truth.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Well if 100 blindfolded violinists in a room can guess correctly whether a violin or a viola is being played, I will take their judgement as truth.

I agree. That's what I referred to before regarding valid polling as achieving a measure of objectivity/truth.

 

[Carlos269]

As promised, for your enjoyment and appreciation here is the video of the Perlman violin recording played back on my WAAR system with the Remastering process (Wood Edition):

The power of the Remastering process is patently undeniable!

 

[the sound of Tao]

3 pages of posts later we have the source? You rendered this youtube recording of Gergiev through your system?

If that's the case, and if you stick to your guns that the video is representative of your in-room experience, my honest assessment is that your system is just gutting the source.
Low end seems pulled forward with a hard to describe transition to the mid-bass. Upper bass is pushed backwards all the way to the low-high register, and then suddenly the highs are forward again. The low string pulls in the very beginning of the movement seem to have percussion behind them (they don't), very offset from the original signal. The violins and violas seem to be behind something and spread thin all over the place. The highs are never piercing, but they are quite disconnected from the music, they just show up out of nowhere.
There is the sense of dynamics and omfh to it for sure. But I'm struggling to connect it to anything on the other side of the wave. If I had to describe your sound succinctly it would be a V or a W shaped presentation, but not just on the power response. Dynamics are all over the place, the high-mids sound like they almost have reverb, and at the same time that everything sounds lively it also sounds muffled.

It’s great to have you sharing your analysis on aspects of the sound heard here, for me you are so on point and analyse and communicate this well… your technical and academic background adds substance to an area that seems to suffer from much too much miffed and muffed huff and puff and fully inflated boofy woofy fluffy stuff… many thanks for these contrasting moments of a more modest and more grounded clarity RCanelas… very much appreciated.

 

[tima]

So, what is the recording that you're using in the Shostakovich 8th III video?

Pretty sure it is Haitink with the Concertgebouw. Compare it to here.

 

[RCanelas]

Pretty sure it is Haitink with the Concertgebouw. Compare it to here.

That is what I thought also, alas the only reply we got is that it's the Gergiev recording on youtube. Some of the cues are very similar, surprisingly.

BTW, your system sounds phenomenal on this. I can feel the music mass if I close my eyes, similarly to what I'd expect on the hall recorded through a phone.

 

[Wavetouch]

The original recording has the voices very up front and present. With your system they sit back in the stage more. Hopkins system does this presence well with the other recording he posted where I commented the voice sounded quite good and present.

Thank you for your kind feedback! I really appreciate.

Every ears are different and easily biased depends on surroundings. I thought it's clear that my system sounds the most up-front (closer to the orig music) than any other systems in the world. I worked very hard to make that up-front sound. But the sound can be heard differently with ears' hearing mode.

I notice that the sound of orig music (which is cleanest) is veiled and stuffy right after listening Hopkins system. It happens because Hopkins' system is excellent and draw me into it's own musicality. It happened same when I listened Borresen M1. These speakers don't let my ears free from their sounds. I mean you have take a time (2~3 minutes) listening the orig (or WT) music until your ears hear no veil sound after listening H's system. Your ears need even more time with my WT system.

 

[hopkins]

BTW, your system sounds phenomenal on this. I can feel the music mass if I close my eyes, similarly to what I'd expect on the hall recorded through a phone.

I was particularly impressed by the lower frequencies, which are present with great definition and don't overwhelm the rest....Sigh...

 

[bonzo75]

Shostakovich 8, Haitink. I had posted this Kondo and bionor video initially but as the room was a mess, the other requested I take it the video. Might have a video after the next visit.

i therefore downloaded it from my YouTube to mp3, and uploaded the file to Google drive.

ytmp3free.cc_shostakovich-8th-third-movement-youtubemp3free.org (2).mp3

drive.google.com