Do I just think on a different level? Surely others out there comprehend what I’m saying.
Ron’s New System
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Elliot G.
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anyone or damn near most need some kind of Guidance
going to shows or live events is helpful
now who knows that’s a list to figure out almost as difficult as knowing what to do to set up audio.
If a person chooses for a simple audio system even this needs some work
to buy and think you got it all done right anyone really is going through hell and back
read just Mike L how long his road is
or a man like Elliot.
Many others on here too. I’m not so sure any one person has it all figured out
going to shows or live events is helpful
now who knows that’s a list to figure out almost as difficult as knowing what to do to set up audio.
If a person chooses for a simple audio system even this needs some work
to buy and think you got it all done right anyone really is going through hell and back
read just Mike L how long his road is
or a man like Elliot.
Many others on here too. I’m not so sure any one person has it all figured out
Carlos you live to be driven into arguments where there can’t be a right or wrong
just relax read contribute and even if you get no reply
there are plenty lurkers Learning
I mostly get ignored when I am making correct points
let it be arrogance is the twin of ignorance
does this seem right if not do you have twins in your family
i cannot and will not question that you are happy and satisfied. we agree on that.
but shorting acoustical issues will absolutely cost you in ultimate performance. dsp can blunt negative acoustical effects but not eliminate their influence. and there will always be a cost to the processing involved in the dsp accommodation in the solving process. the information that acoustical artifacts covers up cannot be recovered by processing. it's gone.
enjoy! and i mean that.
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Have you removed all the unused speakers to confirm that your sound quality doesn't improve? If not, then you are speculating that your sound is as good as it can be with all the speakers in the room.
I understand what you are doing, Carlos. Do you apply your mastering device to all your systems?
I understand that the room and every thing in it is the given, and then you tune the system to create your target sound at your listening seat. That is your approach and you have been very clear about describing it for a long time.
Thank you for responding!
It is interesting that you prefer the sound pick-up from the iPhone internal mic over the dual Sennheiser external microphones.
Could you hear any difference between B and C?
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Ron, The videos seem quite similar to me. I have no preference.
What are your answers to these three questions? Are the videos representative of what you hear in the room?
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As 'useless' as vids are for evaluating actual system performance in the flesh except as sketches (my vids are duller, less vibrant and less imaging through the Galaxy 8), they are excellent argument totems for rousing the audiophile rooster fights.
For that reason alone, people need to keep posting them.
For that reason alone, people need to keep posting them.
Amen. You get it. Exactly. Only one of my system has the system remastering process, that is on my WAAR system, but I use the same approach and philosophy with all my other systems, but obviously through different methods and techniques to achieve my sound target.
Peter can you please explain the concept to the rest of the group here in terms that they can understand.
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I don’t like to argue. I have very clear methodology for achieving the results that I’m after. I think part of the misalignment here is that I strive to achieve a target, while most are aiming for improvement to what they currently have and that is as good as they can expect to get out of any change.
I will put it in terms that will make sense to you. A customer walks into your store and buys a complete system based on the sound that he hears in your demo room. When you deliver and set up the system in the customer’s listening room, that customer wants the same sound that he heard in your demo room. If you have the goal in mind to satisfy your customer and are skilled enough, you will strive to get the same sound in the customer’s listening room that you get in your demo room regardless or despite of the differences in room acoustics and articles in the two different rooms. Other wise your customer will not get the sound that he paid for.
Full range dipoles will automatically have greater difficulty in two dimensional recordings, because all of the contributory back waves that have dimensionality will be folded into the two dimensional collapse. The Pendragon has the crossover at 250 to the dipole ribbon, but it also has a large winged baffle, so a bit less of that. I suppose a highly directional microphone pointed at the ribbons would help reduce that.
I don’t need to. Even in the empty room, I would dial or optimize my system to sound exactly as it does in the crowded room. I’m only interested in the resultant sound. The empty room would just drive me to making changes in my system, but my goal doesn’t change in whatever room I’m in.
Having a datum or a set goal is essential for achieving success, other wise you are just floating around and meandering, ungrounded.
You are funny!
If the essential goal is sound quality, then in an empty room I would listen with headphones
You are funny!
If the essential goal is sound quality, then in an empty room I would listen with headphones
“Empty” figuratively, not literally.
I get what you are doing precisely because you have a goal, the target sound. I have the same approach. I used to simply want more/better from what I had with no target in sight. I now understand what that means and it helps a lot. Once you know where you want to be, you figure out how to get there. You and I simply have different means of achieving our goals, but the concept is the same, so I can relate very easily.
I also agree with you that system videos give a pretty good idea of the gist of the system sound, but I use videos personally as a tool to evaluate very particular attributes that come across better than others. Some qualities do not really show up, that is fine, but others are pretty good.
Our broad strokes seem similar. The specific methods differ. That is fine too. The important thing is only the resultant experience at the listening seat for that listener. On this we agree.
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