Can digital get to vinyl sound and at what price?

Why would digital A.I. direct us to analogue and not digital? Hmmm, has anyone actually met PYP?
You are clever for a human. When the time comes, you will be an excellent battery.
 
First recommendation is to only try gear/tweaks that offer a money-back guarantee and something like 30 days to try it (both shown below do).

Second recommendation it to try a passive filter as a proof of concept. The convenient part is not needing a power source.

I haven't tried this one, but their footers are well made and work well for me: https://stackaudio.co.uk/smoothlan/
I use this one and like it, but it is pricey for a passive: https://www.networkacoustics.com/shop/muon-pro-ethernet-filter/

If you try one of these, I suggest you use them as close to the streamer as possible. For the smoothlan, attach your best LAN cable between the filter and streamer. While I don't understand why, some LAN cables sound better than others. While the Muon Pro has its own cable to plug into the streamer, I found using an RJ45 coupler and my fancy LAN cable into the streamer sounds much better.

Every system is different and what our ear/brain keys in on can be different. I prefer a filter that does not change the listening perspective (for example, seems to move the listener closer to the performance).

There are a number of powered switches that are closer to $4k, but I haven't tried any of them: Totaldac d-1 switch, Innous PhoenixNET and Network Acoustics Tempus. All well-reviewed by users.
Have you found that the Muon Pro makes a difference with the Grimm? I currently just have a iFi LAN Silencer which seems to make a difference in cleaning things up a bit, but it does change your perspective bringing you forward. I also use the Stack Audio Auva products which I am impressed with, so I just ordered the SmoothLAN filter. I am hoping that it is not an issue with my gigabit service.
 
Have you found that the Muon Pro makes a difference with the Grimm? I currently just have a iFi LAN Silencer which seems to make a difference in cleaning things up a bit, but it does change your perspective bringing you forward. I also use the Stack Audio Auva products which I am impressed with, so I just ordered the SmoothLAN filter. I am hoping that it is not an issue with my gigabit service.
I got the Muon Pro when I had the Grimm MU1 and thought it worked well - refined the HF a bit without dulling them or adversely affecting the transients. Unlike powered filters I used previously, it did not move the perspective forward, which is not my preference. I prefer as neutral an influence as possible.

During the demo of the MU2, I used the same setup therefore used the Muon Pro (I prefer a Kubala-Sosna ethernet cable to the one attached to the Muon Pro and therefore use a RJ45 coupler). When the MU2 replaced the MU1, I did not try it without the Muon Pro.

I believe the MU2 is fairly immune to noise transmitted via copper ethernet and have opted for a minimum "treatment." In the past, I tried optical, switches with separate clock, LPS, DC cables. I seems to me to be a game of whac-a-mole. The optical converter has its own noise, so you try an LPS, which has its own noise, so you add a switch, but that needs a clock and an LPS. On and on. Not my thing anymore. Gear like the MU2 makes the eventual goal much easier.
 
I got the Muon Pro when I had the Grimm MU1 and thought it worked well - refined the HF a bit without dulling them or adversely affecting the transients. Unlike powered filters I used previously, it did not move the perspective forward, which is not my preference. I prefer as neutral an influence as possible.

During the demo of the MU2, I used the same setup therefore used the Muon Pro (I prefer a Kubala-Sosna ethernet cable to the one attached to the Muon Pro and therefore use a RJ45 coupler). When the MU2 replaced the MU1, I did not try it without the Muon Pro.

I believe the MU2 is fairly immune to noise transmitted via copper ethernet and have opted for a minimum "treatment." In the past, I tried optical, switches with separate clock, LPS, DC cables. I seems to me to be a game of whac-a-mole. The optical converter has its own noise, so you try an LPS, which has its own noise, so you add a switch, but that needs a clock and an LPS. On and on. Not my thing anymore. Gear like the MU2 makes the eventual goal much easier.
Been there done that as well and want to keep it as simple as possible. Really just looking to smooth out some of the HF edges.
 
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Been there done that as well and want to keep it as simple as possible. Really just looking to smooth out some of the HF edges.
will be interested in your take on the SmoothLAN. I'm assuming where it is placed will make a difference, just like every other filter/premium cable/switch.
 
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Are we there yet ..? (3350 posts ) OK analog it is .. :)
Oh. I thought that was answered a long time ago. Vinyl cannot sound like digital and vice versa (could add tape to the mix as well). They have different noise characteristics. @Atmasphere explains noise spectra across his posts, mostly the differences between tubed and solid state equipment but the basic concept is the same.

My own view as a hobbyist is that some folks are especially sensitive to the noise spectra of digital, or vinyl or tape. These listeners have very strong preferences. Some think these preferences are the "correct" preferences. Some think everyone should share their preferences. I think we only need to look at the cereal section of any grocery store to know with certainty that people have different preferences. The only question to be answered is whether a Wheaties lover can live happily with someone who prefers Lucky Charms. Perhaps that deserves its own 3350 post thread.
 
Oh. I thought that was answered a long time ago. Vinyl cannot sound like digital and vice versa (could add tape to the mix as well). They have different noise characteristics. @Atmasphere explains noise spectra across his posts, mostly the differences between tubed and solid state equipment but the basic concept is the same.

My own view as a hobbyist is that some folks are especially sensitive to the noise spectra of digital, or vinyl or tape. These listeners have very strong preferences. Some think these preferences are the "correct" preferences. Some think everyone should share their preferences. I think we only need to look at the cereal section of any grocery store to know with certainty that people have different preferences. The only question to be answered is whether a Wheaties lover can live happily with someone who prefers Lucky Charms. Perhaps that deserves its own 3350 post thread.
So you don't think the point of a system/recording is music reproduction?
 
So you don't think the point of a system/recording is music reproduction?
I think the point of a system is the appreciation of music at home. Ideally, the setup disappears and you have music.

That doesn't mean some folks don't take great pleasure in interacting with their equipment and media, and that is great too. I enjoy exploring musicians and their discography via Roon and other sources on the internet.
 
I think the point of a system is the appreciation of music at home. Ideally, the setup disappears and you have music.

That doesn't mean some folks don't take great pleasure in interacting with their equipment and media, and that is great too. I enjoy exploring musicians and their discography via Roon and other sources on the internet.
Scroll down to Quested in the show report below. They had 2 rooms, one with a live acoustic band and one playing back the live music via an ADC/hifi system. They were trying to reproduce the music as close as possible to the live sound.
Are you interested in having a sound at home that is as close as possible to live?

 
Are you interested in having a sound at home that is as close as possible to live?

Yes. That is the ideal for me. Of course, it isn't possible. Anyone can tell live from a recording. But when a system provides good insight into the musicians and the conversation they are having (listening to jazz, for example), then not-quite-live sound is still good enough.

I like to listen for the choices the musician has at a given moment during improvisation and then follow the choice he/she made and how that affects the other musicians. Hearing deeply into the creative process is the greatest reward.
 
Scroll down to Quested in the show report below. They had 2 rooms, one with a live acoustic band and one playing back the live music via an ADC/hifi system. They were trying to reproduce the music as close as possible to the live sound.
Are you interested in having a sound at home that is as close as possible to live?

The Quested Speakers I've heard are among the best. They are based on studio monitors. In fact, I believe that these speakers will easily outclass many high-end audio speakers at a fraction of the price.
 
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I think the point of a system is the appreciation of music at home. Ideally, the setup disappears and you have music.

That doesn't mean some folks don't take great pleasure in interacting with their equipment and media, and that is great too. I enjoy exploring musicians and their discography via Roon and other sources on the internet.
Exploring musicians and their development throughout their life is a giant part of the joy in having so much and very immediate access to so many performer’s entire catalogues. Focussing on artists that you resonate with and then exploring their transitions and phases throughout generational changes in era can create quite extraordinary insights into their music… all music comes in here but particularly jazz and classical where often longevity of artist’s careers and volume of their recording output can be quite huge.

Same with listening to whole cycles of works of music by a composer or by different conductor’s cycles of that composer within classical music to better understand the work and the artists. Having access to that level of comparison teaches you so much about the music and the people who’ve made and interpreted it. It also allows you to navigate more music and then bring your focus down onto the music you most connect to.

Or even comparing the difference between similar types of orchestral music say comparing the best examples in the repertoire of piano or violin or cello concertos between the 19th and 20th centuries or in chamber music between centuries… it all builds reference points for getting into the music and a glimpse into its larger developmental life cycle.
 
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The Quested Speakers I've heard are among the best. They are based on studio monitors. In fact, I believe that these speakers will easily outclass many high-end audio speakers at a fraction of the price.
Did you hear the ART speakers with Diamond tweeter? What was your impression.
 

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