$8,400 Power Cord, $8,995 Power Distributor, I'm a flat earther with this stuff, BUT
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What filters are in those power cords? How do they eliminate noise? I think it's a pretty simple answer, if we're talking about cable and plugs; they don't. A well-sheilded cable may prevent the introduction of noise, but it has no capacity to reduce it. And I don't have to hear this any more than I have to get on the space shuttle to know the earth isn't flat. Born a few years later, PT Barnum would have been a high-end tweak manufacturer.
Tim
They are the famous Kraken costing $8400 - no need to PM. I hope we do not get insulted just because we are debating them.
http://www.monoandstereo.com/2014/02/stage-iii-new-kraken-power-cord.html
http://www.stage3concepts.com/PRODUCTS_Kraken_page.htm
and I hope , I am not fed to the lions for possessing them
So Caelin Gabriel's a fraud too Tim?
And what type of noise are we talking about Tim? Common mode? Transverse mode?
http://www.controlledpwr.com/whitepapers/ipnoisa1.pdf
[video]http://www.furmansound.com/video.php?id=7[/video]
http://ww2.mitcables.com/pdf/powerline_noise.pdf
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You're right. I haven't heard it. I wouldn't cross the street to hear an $8400 power cord. I wouldn't lend it that much credibility. How can I say that? Because it is a power cord. If it has no filters built into it, it cannot remove noise. If it has no active components in it, it cannot increase the current or change the bandwidth. It can, if it is a perfect power cord, deliver to the component exactly what it receives from the outlet. And of course it's not perfect, so it's only effect can be negative.
If I told you that I could run hot air through the entire ductwork system of your house, from the furnace to the room furthest away and by encasing the last 2 feet of ductwork in marble and plating the inside of the duct in platinum, it would raise the temperature of the air -- no heating elements, no active elements at all, no power source, no flame -- just more expensive materials in the last two feet would actually raise the temperature, would you believe me? Would you even bother to take the temperature of the air on either side of that last 2 feet of duct?
Tim
Correct. Hotter for passing through the last 2 feet of marble duct work. Nothing to actually raise the temperature required, just marble...the edge is beveled...inside? individual runs for each outlet to reduce noise, no noise fliters required...magic!
Don't know him. Myles you do understand that those three links you provided me are all abou noise filtering? Right? I skimmed. Are they claiming that if it is elegant, heavy and expensive enough, wire and plugs alone -- power cables -- are capable of filtering noise? If not, we're not talking about the same thing. If so, yes, it's BS.
Tim
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I would say because some things shouldn't be commented upon if you have heard them. As in heard them differently than other competent designs. It is always the old thing about do your ears hear things that aren't really there.
Peter, do you mind telling what you had in place before trying the Kraken? Good to know what you're comparing them to since so many of the high end cords have their own sonic signature.
david
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Archimago recently tested a set of Tesla cables. Only 1/4 the price of the ones under discussion here... such a bargain.
http://archimago.blogspot.co.nz/2014/02/measurements-power-cable-redux.html
Check out the "Active Shielding", powered by generic wall warts... no doubt injecting their own power supply hash into the power cables.
http://archimago.blogspot.co.nz/2014/02/measurements-power-cable-redux.html
Check out the "Active Shielding", powered by generic wall warts... no doubt injecting their own power supply hash into the power cables.
Caelin Gabriel = Shunyata. You must have read his many, many contributions to WBF. If not Steve, Marty, and many others talking about his products. So basically to sum it up, you don't need to read his material nor look at measurements he's provided to draw a conclusion? Nice.
And yes, just like the PS is supposed to do in a perfect world. Unfortunately we don't live in heaven but an electromagnetic hell.
BTW, you still haven't told us what type of noise you're referring to.
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I rarely open cable threads. I should have stuck with that. You tell me...
That's the entire copy support on their website for their TOTL cable. At least they didn't make any specific performance claims. Instead, they said almost nothing. To be fair, we probably ought to look at this research in the Technical section...
...impressive. They are measuring power cables with a device of their own invention and reporting results not correlated to audio performance (other than in the very non-specific bit of chest-beating above in bold). So, according to their own proprietary measurements, their cable moves current better than the ROMEX in the wall. They have given us no reason to believe that will have any impact on component performance, and no metrics to compare their proprietary measurements to, but we believe...
I was skimming again. Did I miss anything important? If I did, as my penance, I offer my free marketing advice to Shunyata -- fire your agency. Their copywriter has buried your paradigm-shifting breakthrough beneath two or three clicks of bovine excrement.
Tim
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Tim,
Wise words. We have had very interesting and informing threads on power cables in WBF, with the direct contribution of manufacturers we respect such as Gary Koh, Caelin Gabriel and others, that you ignored in due time. Now you openly injure and despise them, their products and the owners. Do you want to tell us what is the purpose of your posts?
Honestly, micro, my eye was drawn to the numbers in the thread title as to a bloody wreck on the side of the road. I'll go now. Thanks for the reminder
Tim
Wait a minute... that article shows a cheap chinese wall-wart whose Synergistic sticker fell off, exposing the real origin. Is this downright "fraud"?
HFT anyone?
So now expressing doubts about a product is an injure to their manufacturers or designers? No criticism allowed.
Do we realize that endeavors much more precise than high end audio do not use any those ultra expensive cords...
Now something that should carry a lowly 60 Hz needs to have "high bandwidth" and that, said with all the air of a fact... Man! The thing we see in high end audio...
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