I don’t believe you tried any of those amps out as you always show pictures of it. where are the pictures?
A small upgrade in speakers... The CLXArt a true masterpiece!
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No chance Gary, not even close.
The presentation you heard last was long gone.
It's a 40% improvement by a good margin, could be even more, and this time I had a very good professional team to help out, so to be honest, I did take your advice in good stride.
Why I brought the point up again was, just recently one of those chaps asked me what was wrong with it in the first place. I told him about your experience and showed the team your comments, they all had a good laugh!
Like they said, the limitations are only on the recording. Nothing else pretty much. Of course it's not going to reproduce very low bass notes, they were not designed for that purpose. In which case the Neoliths are preferred.
BTW, I don't take comments from uneducated school drop outs seriously. I prefer opinions from people who are slightly more educated and well informed. You're not the ultimate authority on highend audio nor hifi . The only one reason why I thought about it was because you've helped in the past, and I do appreciate that. That's about it though.
Oh! And yes I did see a psychologist, not a psychiatric, he said to stay away from you! What goes in comes out, pretty much the same with all your comments. I'm actually surprised you managed to spell that word. Good on ya mate, a 40% improvement.
The Mac bus is still waiting...
Cheers matey, have a blast.
RJ
The presentation you heard last was long gone.
It's a 40% improvement by a good margin, could be even more, and this time I had a very good professional team to help out, so to be honest, I did take your advice in good stride.
Why I brought the point up again was, just recently one of those chaps asked me what was wrong with it in the first place. I told him about your experience and showed the team your comments, they all had a good laugh!
Like they said, the limitations are only on the recording. Nothing else pretty much. Of course it's not going to reproduce very low bass notes, they were not designed for that purpose. In which case the Neoliths are preferred.
BTW, I don't take comments from uneducated school drop outs seriously. I prefer opinions from people who are slightly more educated and well informed. You're not the ultimate authority on highend audio nor hifi . The only one reason why I thought about it was because you've helped in the past, and I do appreciate that. That's about it though.
Oh! And yes I did see a psychologist, not a psychiatric, he said to stay away from you! What goes in comes out, pretty much the same with all your comments. I'm actually surprised you managed to spell that word. Good on ya mate, a 40% improvement.
The Mac bus is still waiting...
Cheers matey, have a blast.
RJ
40% improvement I don’t think so not even 1% in the kitchen where your hifi is.
Pics not allowed, no way hosay! The dealer doesn't want that trust to be broken. The only pic I could post was the CJ SS amp. Pics from my earlier travels to Spore and demos on the Statements, Relentless and so on, same deal. These are prime importers and will not tolerate nor accept pics to be posted on a public forum. But, I do have them on my phone! Plus the team as well, we're all looking great, especially after a few reds!
Don't worry about how my kitchen system sounds Gary, that's about all you can pick on at this stage. Like I said, school drop out, can't expect anything more meaningful...
What you have is good enough, just embrace it and enjoy to the fullest. BTW, Revox was a great brand back then, to think of it. Nice one.
Cheers, RJ
What you have is good enough, just embrace it and enjoy to the fullest. BTW, Revox was a great brand back then, to think of it. Nice one.
Cheers, RJ
Yes thanks it’s a really nice sounding player. I use it with my vintage akg k340 headphones only.
I hope you are very happy with what you have achieved with your system and if it’s 40% better that’s a awesome achievement.
Yes, I understand about the pics, and the importance of showing the gear...
The major issue/s is there are a lot of scammers around. So what they do is take those very same pics of your gear, plus the serial numbers if possible. Then try to sell them online, collect the money and they're gone!
The dealers and importers are absolutely fed up with them, as the cops can't do much either. So I guess you need to be extra careful of what you post, I bet there are a few scammers looking at this right now, who knows!
Cheers mate, take care.
RJ
The major issue/s is there are a lot of scammers around. So what they do is take those very same pics of your gear, plus the serial numbers if possible. Then try to sell them online, collect the money and they're gone!
The dealers and importers are absolutely fed up with them, as the cops can't do much either. So I guess you need to be extra careful of what you post, I bet there are a few scammers looking at this right now, who knows!
Cheers mate, take care.
RJ
Attn: to other CLX owners (passionate & enthusiastic owners)
Further mention on being "limited in performance" and due to such issues ML has decided to discontinue the CLX line... is not the case at all! Just call them up and speak with either Chief design team or Joe Vojtko himself, the main issues are cost and maintenance of such a highly hand crafted line of stats. The pricing will go up further, hence the Neoliths or the Ren15a's are an alternaive choice for such high end stats. Therefore, just like the CLS, and Statements, ML will continue to support owners for parts and service but not on new productions. They have managed to sell all their CLX inventory, with custom orders still pending, so that's that!
This is coming from them, not some chap who resides in Melb million miles away and has personal opinions of ML, it doesn't validate the facts. That's just speculation...
Cheers to the passionate owners of CLX's, they're in a class of their own.
Enjoy those fine tunes!
Best, RJ
Further mention on being "limited in performance" and due to such issues ML has decided to discontinue the CLX line... is not the case at all! Just call them up and speak with either Chief design team or Joe Vojtko himself, the main issues are cost and maintenance of such a highly hand crafted line of stats. The pricing will go up further, hence the Neoliths or the Ren15a's are an alternaive choice for such high end stats. Therefore, just like the CLS, and Statements, ML will continue to support owners for parts and service but not on new productions. They have managed to sell all their CLX inventory, with custom orders still pending, so that's that!
This is coming from them, not some chap who resides in Melb million miles away and has personal opinions of ML, it doesn't validate the facts. That's just speculation...
Cheers to the passionate owners of CLX's, they're in a class of their own.
Enjoy those fine tunes!
Best, RJ
Yes, that's a definite. I can certainly second that since I've heard them! Triple stacked Klipsch horns offer pretty serious dynamics and serious slam, it has the "stage affect."
I've heard many other lofty systems putting out the same level of dynamics and power with force but costs a price tag similar to a house!
Triple stacked horns are definitely something special, no doubt. Well done on that G-man.
However, I have a few minor areas where they don't meet my expectations: inner detail, resolution and transparency, soundstage depth and imaging, unlike fine panels or other dynamic driver types, which have all these attributes.
I'm not quite sure what type of "reference quality" you're referring to. To me it's just a massive kaboom! However, having said that, who am I to judge. Like I've always said, if you're enjoying it to the fullest, that's all that really matters.
Cheers, and enjoy those fine horns.
RJ
I've heard many other lofty systems putting out the same level of dynamics and power with force but costs a price tag similar to a house!
Triple stacked horns are definitely something special, no doubt. Well done on that G-man.
However, I have a few minor areas where they don't meet my expectations: inner detail, resolution and transparency, soundstage depth and imaging, unlike fine panels or other dynamic driver types, which have all these attributes.
I'm not quite sure what type of "reference quality" you're referring to. To me it's just a massive kaboom! However, having said that, who am I to judge. Like I've always said, if you're enjoying it to the fullest, that's all that really matters.
Cheers, and enjoy those fine horns.
RJ
I agree and that’s where the 30.7 come in. They do what the horns cart do.
Roger that! Nice one G-man, you've got the best of both worlds, fine ribbons and mighty horns.
The 30.7's are well capable of serious wallop as well when called for. The main obstacles are controlling those huge double bass panels and controlling the mids&highs panel to perform in sync. It's upto the power amplifiers to perform the task. Otherwise it can sound dis-jointed, as if listening to two different speakers at once.
Three critical factors I've found that are a must:
1. current loading
2 current capability
3. current stability
Unfortunately quite a number of high powered amplifiers can't quite deliver that last point.
I love the ribbon bass, I think it has very good density and agility, once controlled well, the tightness and speed is fantastic! That's why the CLX design team included the triple stator for the first time on a stat design. However, similar to difficult loads, it has a notorious impedence swing. This swing can happen with lightning speed in an instant, hence quite a lot of amplifiers run out of steam...
There's another power amplifier that I haven't tried in a while. It's a SS design made in NZ called Plinius. They're mighty big on current capacity and very similar to Pass Labs. I'm just trying to see if I can get one on trial, just to experience something different.
The person who had ordered the balanced force subs for his CLX's is now considering the Pass Labs amps but would like to try out the Plinius before deciding. I reckon it will be a very close call.
Cheers, have a good one.
RJ
The 30.7's are well capable of serious wallop as well when called for. The main obstacles are controlling those huge double bass panels and controlling the mids&highs panel to perform in sync. It's upto the power amplifiers to perform the task. Otherwise it can sound dis-jointed, as if listening to two different speakers at once.
Three critical factors I've found that are a must:
1. current loading
2 current capability
3. current stability
Unfortunately quite a number of high powered amplifiers can't quite deliver that last point.
I love the ribbon bass, I think it has very good density and agility, once controlled well, the tightness and speed is fantastic! That's why the CLX design team included the triple stator for the first time on a stat design. However, similar to difficult loads, it has a notorious impedence swing. This swing can happen with lightning speed in an instant, hence quite a lot of amplifiers run out of steam...
There's another power amplifier that I haven't tried in a while. It's a SS design made in NZ called Plinius. They're mighty big on current capacity and very similar to Pass Labs. I'm just trying to see if I can get one on trial, just to experience something different.
The person who had ordered the balanced force subs for his CLX's is now considering the Pass Labs amps but would like to try out the Plinius before deciding. I reckon it will be a very close call.
Cheers, have a good one.
RJ
Yes I believe I have as I listen to all types of music and I haven’t heard anything that can do it all
Hi RJ!
Are you writing here about magnetic planar bass on Magnepans or about ribbon bass on Apogees?
WOOF WOOF!
G'day Ron,
Yes, I was referring to ribbon bass on Apogee's, Gryphon Pendragon, Genesis Dragons and similar. When I had those mighty Diva's, that bass was one of kind. I do hear a certain percentage of that in the 30.7's, especially when driven by the Relentless amplifiers. Although pretty impressive, I would say the LF detail on the Statements driven by with the Relentless or Progression amplifiers with the Momentum preamp was just superlative!
Since I own CLX's, obviously this type of LF is very different. I'm certainly loving it, every aspect of its inner detail, lightening speed and agility, however it takes some time getting used to.
Just recently I heard a beautiful pair of Apo Duetta sigs fully refurbed, I really liked those! They were driven with the Plinius amps I'm talking about. Absolutely outstanding!
Graz is a legend, has the knowledge and skills to fully restore these ribbons and make them perform way beyond any ribbon commercially available today from mass market producers.
I will at one point get a pair of refurbed Duetta's but I'm thinking of driving them with SS amps, not tubes. This will most probably be when I can no longer attend to the maintenance of tubes and stats. Something like a retirement system.
Cheers Ron,
Loud woof'n!
RJ
Yes, I was referring to ribbon bass on Apogee's, Gryphon Pendragon, Genesis Dragons and similar. When I had those mighty Diva's, that bass was one of kind. I do hear a certain percentage of that in the 30.7's, especially when driven by the Relentless amplifiers. Although pretty impressive, I would say the LF detail on the Statements driven by with the Relentless or Progression amplifiers with the Momentum preamp was just superlative!
Since I own CLX's, obviously this type of LF is very different. I'm certainly loving it, every aspect of its inner detail, lightening speed and agility, however it takes some time getting used to.
Just recently I heard a beautiful pair of Apo Duetta sigs fully refurbed, I really liked those! They were driven with the Plinius amps I'm talking about. Absolutely outstanding!
Graz is a legend, has the knowledge and skills to fully restore these ribbons and make them perform way beyond any ribbon commercially available today from mass market producers.
I will at one point get a pair of refurbed Duetta's but I'm thinking of driving them with SS amps, not tubes. This will most probably be when I can no longer attend to the maintenance of tubes and stats. Something like a retirement system.
Cheers Ron,
Loud woof'n!
RJ
I was comparing the CLX directly to the Statement E2 system when i commented on their sound. The CLX gets a little thin sounding at higher levels, and even 2 dept subwoofers did not sufficiently correct the issue, i prefer them without.(...)
What are calling high levels? Rock music levels? When I had the old MBL101c's I found that I had to play everything at around 3-4 dB louder than with other speakers - I gave up on them as at that time I had neighbors and could not give justice to them!
Pure electrostatic speakers will always have loudness limitations - it is part of the physics of the electrostatic electrical field, they can not compete on this aspect with box speakers or horns. But as Peter Walker once said about the ESL 63, "they play loud enough for 95% of our consumers".
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