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I think you are missing that when people get the M10 they do not get an amplifier - they get 100 amplifiers, each sounding different. Some of them will have absolute control of the AlexV bass, others not so much, it seems.

My humble Siegfried II´s have 8 modes of operation - 4 feedback levels, triode and pentode mode. I would love to have one mode with best of each of them, but it is not possible and for the XLF I prefer the pentode, middle feedback level as a general mode. But sometimes I indulge in the low feedback triode mode for a couple of recordings.
Class B
Pentode mode: Not very linear, high output impedance, lots of gain, highest power/efficiency, easy to drive. Guitaramps not hifi

Your Pentode Mode Class A/B
Ultralinear mode: Quite linear, almost as much power available as pentode mode medium output impedance, quite a lot of gain, easy to drive
Pseudo Class A
Triode mode: Very linear, only about 1/3rd the power of pentode mode lowest output impedance, not much gain, harder / hard to drive due to high input capacitance and low gain. Triode strapped pentodes somewhat easier to drive than pure triodes.
The distortion spectra of each mode is quite different too.

it burned under my fingernails had to write something about it..sorry
 
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You keep avoiding my gain question.
Sorry Ian, I thought I addressed it in response to a similar inquiry in another post. There is no option increase gain in the M10 as you apparently can in the M1.1. You can only decrease it in the M10 by up to 6dB. Since the max gain is set at 24dB, decreasing the gain is not an option. By comparison, the JC1+ gain is 29dB. Other amps such as Gryphon Mephisto are 31dB. So perhaps that is part of the issue?
 
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There should be at least 1 setting that gives as much bass control as the JC +
I admit that I haven't tried going as high as possible on the feedback simply because the resultant sound on the rest of the range is unacceptable. 20% feedback sounds better than 15% as far as bass, but as we have already said, the trade off is not one that I would make willingly.
 
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Sorry Ian, I thought I addressed it in response to a similar inquiry in another post. There is no option increase gain in the M10 as you apparently can in the M1.1. You can only decrease it in the M10 by up to 6dB. Since the max gain is set at 24dB, decreasing the gain is not an option. By comparison, the JC1+ gain is 29dB. Other amps such as Gryphon Mephisto are 31dB. So perhaps that is part of the issue?
Hi Marty, I wonder, if you had considered Mephisto monos before deciding on CH 10? Based on my limited experience comparing Mephisto stereo and M1.1 monos, a single Mephisto easily bests CH monos in the bass region. Whether you like it as much playing other frequencies is another matter.
 
Hi Marty, I wonder, if you had considered Mephisto monos before deciding on CH 10? Based on my limited experience comparing Mephisto stereo and M1.1 monos, a single Mephisto easily bests CH monos in the bass region. Whether you like it as much playing other frequencies is another matter.
In what ways does it easily best the CH in the bass region? Can you elaborate a bit for those of us who have never heard the Mephisto?
 
In what ways does it easily best the CH in the bass region? Can you elaborate a bit for those of us who have never heard the Mephisto?
Probably easily is too strong a word and I am not good at describing the difference in audiophile terms. I’ve done 2 comparisons in my own room: CH A1.5 vs Gryphon Antileon EVO and CH M1.1 monos vs Mephisto Stereo. In both cases CH amps were more gentle compared to Gryphon ones. Gryphons simply had more punch, produced more dynamic sound. But Antileon was too dynamic for my taste. So I ordered Mephisto hoping it would be more refined. It is definitely more refined, but also more revealing. CH M1.1 is even more refined than Mephisto, but also more delicate and as revealing.
Anyway, by the end of the third week and when I put feedback at 10%, CH amps were almost as good controlling the speakers as Mephisto. Maybe Marty simply needs more time with CH and when the break in is complete, these bass issues will go away.
 
Probably easily is too strong a word and I am not good at describing the difference in audiophile terms. I’ve done 2 comparisons in my own room: CH A1.5 vs Gryphon Antileon EVO and CH M1.1 monos vs Mephisto Stereo. In both cases CH amps were more gentle compared to Gryphon ones. Gryphons simply had more punch, produced more dynamic sound. But Antileon was too dynamic for my taste. So I ordered Mephisto hoping it would be more refined. It is definitely more refined, but also more revealing. CH M1.1 is even more refined than Mephisto, but also more delicate and as revealing.
Anyway, by the end of the third week and when I put feedback at 10%, CH amps were almost as good controlling the speakers as Mephisto. Maybe Marty simply needs more time with CH and when the break in is complete, these bass issues will go away.
Thank you, much appreciated.

You were lucky to have both in your own room!
 
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Sorry Ian, I thought I addressed it in response to a similar inquiry in another post. There is no option increase gain in the M10 as you apparently can in the M1.1. You can only decrease it in the M10 by up to 6dB. Since the max gain is set at 24dB, decreasing the gain is not an option. By comparison, the JC1+ gain is 29dB. Other amps such as Gryphon Mephisto are 31dB. So perhaps that is part of the issue?

Usually gain is not related to bass quality - you just have to compensate for it in the preamplifier level control.

It would be great to examine decays of this critical zone of the spectra taken with REW with and without feedback. Also, changing the speaker position can be of help - if the AlexxV were positioned using the JC1+ that has high damping, probably this position is not optimum for the M10 without feedback that has probly a lower damping factor. Assuming that the AlexxV impedance is similar to the impedance of the XVX published by Stereophile, the real damping factor will be much lower than the value quoted at 8 ohms.

Although this can be a more complex situation, the problem can probably be solved adding a bass trap tuned in the offending zone.
 
How goes it, Marty? Any better?
 
This update may cause the computer screen you are reading to spontaneously burst into flames. About a week ago, Elliot G drove to my home in NJ immediately following the CAP Audio Fest at my request and picked up the CH M10 Amps I purchased not that long ago. Yes, that is correct. I decided I simply could not live with them any longer. Their limitations have been detailed previously and there was nothing that I could do, conjure, or pray for that changed my opinion of these amplifiers. I simply found the bass wholly unsatisfactory with the important caveat that I could not justifying turning up the feedback setting to a level whereby the midrange and top end was not significantly penalized. I simply could not accept that as the price to pay for decent bass performance. To make things even more incredulous, Elliot brought me the Parasound JC1+ amps that he used the show, which will now serve again as an interim amplifier while I await the arrival of yet another amplifier that I hope will ultimately be satisfactory (and more!). After Elliot and his team of NFL linebackers removed, packed and loaded the M10s onto his van, we unpacked. and hooked up the JC1+. OMG. The bass was back in spades and I was smiling for the first time in a long time. It's worth repeating two things. First, want to know how good the JC1+ is? Read Heillbrun's excellent review which is spot on. I cannot improve upon it in a meaningful way except to say that the JC1+ bass is superior to the Soulution 701as well as the M10 (not even close). Second, this does not mean that the JC1+ is a better amplifier than the M10. There is no question that the magic of the M10 midrange and top end that I was able to achieve with 14% feedback was somewhat decreased with the JC1+. Thus the net overall effect is that while the M10 may be considered the "better amp" in some important ways, the JC1+ was the far more satisfying and preferred amp for overall music listening in my system. It may have been possible to increase the feedback of the M10 to improve the bass further, but that would only result in further diminished midrange and treble performance thereby making it impossible for me to justify their expense over the JC1+ which costs 90% less than the M10. Read that again. 90% less!!

I was amused by some reports which said that Elliot's sound at the show was excellent, yet would have been significantly improved had he only used better amplifiers than the paltry JC1+. And you wonder why audiophiles are nuts? To be honest, after this fiasco, I'm wondering if the amount of money I will spend on the next amp is worth it at all, or is this yet another stupid audiophile move. I guess we shall see.....

I'll conclude by saying that surprisingly, for the moment, I will miss some of that magic midrange the M10's provided at low feedback. But as far as their bass performance, it might just be, as some have already mentioned, that this could simply be a mismatch with the Alexx V, which is capable of excellent bass performance with the right amplifier. However, the counter argument is that it may have nothing to do with the speaker at all since by CH's own admission as stated in their user manual, that one should increase the feedback if you seek "greater bass grip". There's a legitimate reason they say that, and this clearly suggests it is a speaker independent phenomenon.
 
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I want to thank Marty and Lisa for their hospitality and especially Lisa for cooking up a wonderful meal after the hard work. Marty has a beautiful listening room and a great home.
I explained in one of my posts why we used the JC1+ at the show and this was a part of it however I do not feel that the amplifiers did anything but a wonderful job at CAPFEST and certainly are worth every penny they ask for them. Sound at shows is far more to do with the room and time than the difference between two good amplifiers.
Marty uses mono blocks so even if I had the Halcro at the time, which I did not it would not have worked in his room. My company Lear Jet is not available LMAO
Marty has an outstanding system and it was fun listening to it. He has some wicked bass response and the system is truly powerful.
I truly do hope that the next adventure brings him what he is looking for and I look forward to hearing the finished product when I am next in the vicinity.
 
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The JC1+ might be the amp. If they sound great, they sound great. When it comes to bass grip Boulder and Gryphon come to mind, but again all choices have some trade off. I hope Elliot gets the Halcro mono's.
 
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(...) I explained in one of my posts why we used the JC1+ at the show and this was a part of it however I do not feel that the amplifiers did anything but a wonderful job at CAPFEST and certainly are worth every penny they ask for them. (...)
Just one detail - did you ever had the opportunity of comparing the JC1 with the JC1+?
 
The JC1+ might be the amp. If they sound great, they sound great. When it comes to bass grip Boulder and Gryphon come to mind, but again all choices have some trade off. I hope Elliot gets the Halcro mono's.
I have heard the MAXX 2 s on Halcro monos DM 68 or 88 amps cant remember .
The maxx 2 s were about the same load as the Alexx , and they had perfect control / grip.
 
The JC1+ might be the amp. If they sound great, they sound great. When it comes to bass grip Boulder and Gryphon come to mind, but again all choices have some trade off. I hope Elliot gets the Halcro mono's.
Agree on all. Great is great. Further, all 3 of these names are great.
 
So is it fair to say that the poor bass was a lack of control and grip? As in loosey goosey bass, sans articulation?

I suddenly feel like I need to audition a pair of Parasound JC1+ :D
 
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So is it fair to say that the poor bass was a lack of control and grip? As in loosey goosey bass, sans articulation?

I suddenly feel like I need to audition a pair of Parasound JC1+ :D
Be careful for what you wish for!
Seriously Ian, this could be nothing more than music preference. If your preference is chamber, choral, period music, etc, you may find the CH ideal. If orchestral power music and bottom up, bass rich music is your preferred listening content for the most part, there might be more enjoyable choices. Nothing captures this better than the always popular "YMMV" moniker.
 

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