All that is wrong with "HiFi"

Ahhh ha , so its the mastering to blame for needing a 100K system ... :)
from recording.... mixing... mastering (re-mastering x ??) ... post production.... the music can really get screwed up.
 
Actually, you guys aren’t better. Take PeterA, he arrogantly argues about grammar and usage. Worse, when confronted with dictionary posts showing my usage was appropriate, he couldn’t let it go. I saw his edited or deleted post take your pick.

That post was so hurtful that I can’t even imagine he has the words to apologize.

I dropped it because people were getting annoyed. I deleted my posts after the initial one which I made in jest.

I apologize to you for insulting you. I was out of line and it was uncalled for.
 
Well I am pretty sure that a 1 million dollar system can still be improved, isn’t it?
I am 99% happy with my system ;)
 
An artist can create a beautiful painting for a few hundred dollars in canvas and paint. It takes a $60,000+ camera system to properly capture and reproduce that beauty.

The same is true for audio. Vinyl is an imperfect medium- stamped in grooves from a third generation copy and yet still competes with theoretically perfect digital playback. Turntables alone that can exceed $100k just to spin a disk- but apparently do it better than everyone else.
 
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I dropped it because people were getting annoyed. I deleted my posts after the initial one which I made in jest.

I apologize to you for insulting you. I was out of line and it was uncalled for.
Oh My ;0} …
 
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The interesting thing is that I experienced something similar a few years ago. The Detmold University of Music in Germany had an "open day".
You could listen to a performance by a small symphony orchestra in the concert hall; it was being recorded.

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Then came the extraordinary thing: you could listen to the recording in the control room. The control room uses a wave field synthesis loudspeaker system with over 100 loudspeakers that also generate virtual sound sources.
I sat on the chair this loudspeaker system created a perfect 1:1 illusion, just like in the concert hall, even though there were several hundred meters of digital and LAN cables in between. I have never heard such good music from a recording in my life.
I can recommend that everyone listen to it; it's an experience. That's what I call progress. Oh, I forgot, a similar loudspeaker system is also installed in the large concert hall.
With a program they can change the reverberation times in the concert hall. For example, simulate a large church or other concert halls.
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Sound and its effect on people are researched there. Musicians and sound engineers (recording) are trained. It is very interesting for anyone who likes to listen to music, I promise.
This sounds extremely interesting.
 
I dropped it because people were getting annoyed. I deleted my posts after the initial one which I made in jest.

I apologize to you for insulting you. I was out of line and it was uncalled for.
You still don’t get it. I don’t particularly care if you insult me. The MQA fight was a back and forth of insults. No big deal.

What I do care about is you trying to be humorous and dredging up one of my most painful memories. My daughter was carried off by a tornado attending a concert in New York State. They found her in a gully.
 
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This sounds extremely interesting.
Yes. It sounds excellent thanks to wave field synthesis, the whole room is a sweet spot no matter where you sit. you have to hear it.
Each speaker has its own amplifier channel.
For example, you can say I want to hear more sound from 67 degrees to the left from my sitting position.
a very exciting topic i hope Research is really accelerating so that something like this will soon be available at home within an affordable framework.
exsample genlec speaker wfs sytem at siemens germany
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An artist can create a beautiful painting for a few hundred dollars in canvas and paint. It takes a $60,000+ camera system to properly capture and reproduce that beauty.

The same is true for audio. Vinyl is an imperfect medium- stamped in grooves from a third generation copy and yet still competes with theoretically perfect digital playback. Turntables alone that can exceed $100k just to spin a disk- but apparently do it better than everyone else.
$60,000 for a digital system capable of reproducing it, much less for a good film Nikon f3 with 80mm lens
 
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Yes. It sounds excellent thanks to wave field synthesis, the whole room is a sweet spot no matter where you sit. you have to hear it.
Each speaker has its own amplifier channel.
For example, you can say I want to hear more sound from 67 degrees to the left from my sitting position.
a very exciting topic i hope Research is really accelerating so that something like this will soon be available at home within an affordable framework.
exsample genlec speaker wfs sytem at siemens germany
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and they appear to be using a $2k Genelec speaker.... Folks.... stop chasing that Unicorn...
 
The thread is about what is wrong with Hi Fi. It is the belief of some that digital is wrong with hi fi. I believe that digital is more resolving, more detailed than analogue,

Top level vinyl and analog tape are highly resolving and detailed.

at the expense of being less musical.

Again, that depends. I agree that analog has an inherent robust musicality that does not as critically depend on getting every detail right. Digital is more vulnerable in that respect, but it can be just as musical as analog. I like to think that mine is, and to me it is as engaging as great analog.
 
If someone knows the recipe to insure a system will have PRaT, please share.

Personally, I don't think this is possible. There are way many variables to consider.

Tom
 
My daughter was carried off by a tornado attending a concert in New York State. They found her in a gully.
That's terrible. Please consider my sincerest condolences to you and yours.

Tom
 
Simply step back into the past, buy a Sansui tube or solid state amp, have it reconditioned and add a Altec/JBL studio monitor and simply enjoy music emotionally with all its strengths and weaknesses.
A few months ago I listen to a system like this and I have to be honest and say that to this day there has been no progress, no matter how much money you spend.
That's a harsh judgement on modern hi-fi gear, but unfortunately that's my opinion. I only buy old, good devices that are renewed and I enjoy the great sound.
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A couple more for you Stephan … Sound quality could be a little better however the message is still clear enough .


 
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Top level vinyl and analog tape are highly resolving and detailed.



Again, that depends. I agree that analog has an inherent robust musicality that does not as critically depend on getting every detail right. Digital is more vulnerable in that respect, but it can be just as musical as analog. I like to think that mine is, and to me it is as engaging as great analog.
Read and consider my second paragraph in the entry you are quoting (216). Do you recognise Sisyphus in yourself?
 
A couple more for you Stephan … Sound quality could be a little better however the message is still clear enough .


This is due to the special iron that Sansui uses, they have a special tone.
Similarly good from Japan are uesugi brothers amps, for me one of the best push pull and triode amps I ever heard.usesugi kt 88.jpguesugi 300b.jpg
 
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If someone knows the recipe to insure a system will have PRaT, please share. I worked for years in the 80s and 90s to get PRaT with my vinyl setup. Until 2021 I used digital for background music and to warm up the stereo but serious listening was always with vinyl. Now I'm thrilled to have it all with both vinyl and digital.
Not surprised. For the recipe, get rid of those speakers, and find better ones that reflect both PRaT and vinyl qualities.
 
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