Analog Warmth

[esldude]

http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showt...quot-Analogue-Warmth-quot&p=364459#post364459

Let me see Ralph, here you are describing a competing product as an embarrassment, and say who knows it might be the speaker, room placement or whatever.

Should you expect to be called a liar? Should you expect a court order forthcoming because you had a different opinion than the maker of the amp or hundreds of people who own the amp?

 

[NorthStar]

I need a drink...

Tim

Can I join you? :b

 

[nc42acc]

Sometimes I pop the Jiffy Pop containers on my ST100 while listening. The popcorn has a very "tubey" flavor.

 

[esldude]

I'm taking odds right now on how soon the mods shut this thread down.
Less than 24hrs, 2-1 ON
24-48 hrs, EVENS
48 hrs+, 5-1.
"Another One Bites the Dust"...

I don't wish to contribute to that. If Ralph wishes to discuss further he can do it via PM. I have vacillated about reporting his posts, but thus far have not.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Esldude, I believe the mods are deleting threads w/out prior complaints now.
This can't be educating anyone tbh, what's the point of it all?

 

[Atmasphere]

http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showt...quot-Analogue-Warmth-quot&p=364459#post364459

Let me see Ralph, here you are describing a competing product as an embarrassment, and say who knows it might be the speaker, room placement or whatever.

Should you expect to be called a liar? Should you expect a court order forthcoming because you had a different opinion than the maker of the amp or hundreds of people who own the amp?

Look to the qualifying comment, this particular quote is not an example.

Folks, to his credit ESLdude PMed me, and as best I can tell the amps he claims to have seen must have been an older set of MA-2s. Not MA-3s. The reason I know this is there are only two sets of MA-3s in the field (we have a third). Of those, one set is in Guatemala (and wired for 235V; we'd have heard about that being rewired). Further, he claims that the amps, once sold to his friend, were resold after disappointing results. The idea that a set of MA-3s would change hands not once but twice without us hearing about is absurd. And we happen to know that didn't happen. But MA-2s are a different story. Those do change hands sometimes without us hearing about it and there are a lot more of them out there.

So at this time it appears that this missive went down due to mis-identification.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Hmm, not really detecting much warmth on WBF atm, analog or otherwise.
x1000

 

[spiritofmusic]

Er, I'm not doing that again.
I have to say I've got acclimatised to tube heat over the 2 years I've been running SETs. W/a quad of 211s (when unmolested LOL) in my Nats, I don't struggle too much in Summer, even on hot days. In Winter, nice and toasty .
Quite what a quad of 170W/ch all-Class A Nat Magma SE's would feel like, that's another matter. I think I know what they'd sound like.

 

[spiritofmusic]

The only person who should sue you Thomas, is the inventor of SpellCheck, for yr flagrant disregard of his mighty invention.
Strangely, I need to concentrate more on yr posts than anyone else, and I see past such trivialities as spelling, syntax, punctuation etc etc to the meaning behind the words.
The message, not the medium.

 

[Steve williams]

Esldude, I believe the mods are deleting threads w/out prior complaints now.
This can't be educating anyone tbh, what's the point of it all?

Hi Marc
I can assure you this is not the case and I'm not sure why you think that

 

[spiritofmusic]

Apologies Steve, I got the impression that if you guys really objected to the way a thread unravels, you'll just roll it over even w/out prior complaints. Consider me put right on this.
I'm sure you'd agree w/me these conflicts are becoming mega prime PITA material to you and yr colleagues.

 

[microstrip]

worth reading my posts a few times as often multilayerd

I am still trying to get a "spazmatronish"-english dictionary but could not find it!

 

[Geardaddy]

Sometimes I pop the Jiffy Pop containers on my ST100 while listening. The popcorn has a very "tubey" flavor.

TRL ST100? I owned that amp....great piece....but did not run that hot....

 

[Phelonious Ponk]

This is like a cliffhanger when I'm binging Netflix, but I can't get to the next episode. Did Ralph get a PM? Did it tell him who the owner of the amp was? Or is ESLdude just a shameless fabricator of fabrications who indicated here that he'd sent the owner info in a private email, but made that, the owner, the amp, the whole thing up?

I GOTTA KNOW!

Tim

 

[Mike Lavigne]

I've known Ralph for a long time; we aren't friends, and I'm not a customer. but we say hello at Shows and I'm a fan of his approach for sure. and I know what an Atmasphere MA2 is in it's many various versions, and had a set 14 years ago in my room for an audition.

I know enough to realize just how scarce and unusual a set of MA3's are. it might seem simply mistaking MA2's for MA3's is not that big a deal. but it's more than one number; the MA3's are huge and multi-chassis. but no doubt if you happened to get a chance to listen to MA3's it would be a very big deal. the MA3 was long rumored and much anticipated. and as that amp is Ralph's supreme creation you have to understand what it means to him.

esldude; the odds of you actually having heard the MA3's are pretty much nil. if your 'friend' actually owns MA3's then he has to know Ralph very well as those beasts need to be coddled. they are not plug and play. you would need a direct line to Ralph. I can understand mistaking MA2's for MA3's and then not wanting to admit the mistake. that is your decision. but in this case it sure appears to me that you have been mistaken, but don't want to admit it. which is different than intentionally lying.......I decided not to buy MA2's (MA2 Mk2's as I recall) myself back in the day.....I liked them, but liked another amp a bit better.

anyone who has any sort of understanding of the Atmasphere amplifier history would see the truth in this. Ralph is right here.

 

[esldude]

This is like a cliffhanger when I'm binging Netflix, but I can't get to the next episode. Did Ralph get a PM? Did it tell him who the owner of the amp was? Or is ESLdude just a shameless fabricator of fabrications who indicated here that he'd sent the owner info in a private email, but made that, the owner, the amp, the whole thing up?

I GOTTA KNOW!

Tim

I did not make it up. I was mistaken that it was MA3 amps (since there are only two in the wild). They were MA2 amps which one would think is very, very similar though less powerful and $105,000 cheaper than the $145k MA3s. I PM'd Ralph with details excluding the person's name. It was only after a couple PM's with Ralph that it appears to me that I have mistaken the two models. Ralph believes the amp I heard had worn out tubes from my aural description. I only know how it sounded over 15 or more hours of listening time, and that I preferred 3 other amps to it. I think an amp with 1.75 ohm output impedance might not be a good match for speakers that have less impedance than that over the top octave or more. I am sure Ralph disagrees.

So hopefully that finishes the cliffhanger. My apology has not been forthcoming for wrongfully being called a liar however. Big difference between mistaking models and fabricating a story into a lie.

 

[esldude]

I've known Ralph for a long time; we aren't friends, and I'm not a customer. but we say hello at Shows and I'm a fan of his approach for sure. and I know what an Atmasphere MA2 is in it's many various versions, and had a set 14 years ago in my room for an audition.

I know enough to realize just how scarce and unusual a set of MA3's are. it might seem simply mistaking MA2's for MA3's is not that big a deal. but it's more than one number; the MA3's are huge and multi-chassis. but no doubt if you happened to get a chance to listen to MA3's it would be a very big deal. the MA3 was long rumored and much anticipated. and as that amp is Ralph's supreme creation you have to understand what it means to him.

esldude; the odds of you actually having heard the MA3's are pretty much nil. if your 'friend' actually owns MA3's then he has to know Ralph very well as those beasts need to be coddled. they are not plug and play. you would need a direct line to Ralph. I can understand mistaking MA2's for MA3's and then not wanting to admit the mistake. that is your decision. but in this case it sure appears to me that you have been mistaken, but don't want to admit it. which is different than intentionally lying.......I decided not to buy MA2's (MA2 Mk2.2's as I recall) myself back in the day.....I liked them, but liked another amp a bit better.

anyone who has any sort of understanding of the Atmasphere amplifier history would see the truth in this. Ralph is right here.

I had no problem admitting the mistake. I think it a disrespectful approach to immediately accuse me of a lying fabrication when it wasn't. Much more reasonable would have been to explain that there are only 3 MA3's in the world and only 2 in customer's hands asking if I could have been wrong. Other than the mistake on the model everything else was as I said. I went out of my way not to denigrate his brand while he went far out of his way to call me a liar which I am not.

So Ralph was right it was not an MA3 and very wrong about everything else in the matter.
And you are wrong to assume I was not willing to admit the mistake.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

I had no problem admitting the mistake. I think it a disrespectful approach to immediately accuse me of a lying fabrication when it wasn't. Much more reasonable would have been to explain that there are only 3 MA3's in the world and only 2 in customer's hands asking if I could have been wrong. Other than the mistake on the model everything else was as I said. I went out of my way not to denigrate his brand while he went far out of his way to call me a liar immediately which I am not.

So Ralph was right it was not an MA3 and very wrong about everything else in the matter.
And you are wrong to assume I was not willing to admit the mistake.

fair enough; I was wrong to say you were not willing to admit your mistake. reading thru it it seemed at impasse. you not wanting to give the name. then 15 minutes after I posted you posted.

I only posted since it seemed so obvious to me about the impossibility that you had heard MA3's. and that maybe most readers would not have realized that.

 

[DaveyF]

I am in the process of having my Rowland model 8 upgraded and repaired by Jeff. One of the things that I was discussing today with a fellow a'phile was if he should consider a new amp that was a) very light weight --resulting in virtually no real shipping costs if the amp ever needs repairs ...this was brought up after I told him of the cost and hassle to ship the model 8 around
and b) an amp that gives off very little, if any, heat...therefore probably a class D design. The value of both of these aspects...low weight and low heat output was extremely interesting to my friend. It has really got me thinking as well. Do we really have to opt for a product that not only takes up a lot of space, but also acts as a spaceheater and is a major pain in the.... to move around and/or have serviced.
For now, I am living with the heat and the weight penalties..as I believe the sound is the most important thing..BUT once (if) those small class D amps can compete with the best tube or ss A/AB amps...I'm sold. ( Just so there are no conflicts, I do know that some on this forum greatly admire the current Class D N core amps, unfortunately I still have not heard one that does it for me.)

 

[Phelonious Ponk]

I did not make it up. I was mistaken that it was MA3 amps (since there are only two in the wild). They were MA2 amps which one would think is very, very similar though less powerful and $105,000 cheaper than the $145k MA3s. I PM'd Ralph with details excluding the person's name. It was only after a couple PM's with Ralph that it appears to me that I have mistaken the two models. Ralph believes the amp I heard had worn out tubes from my aural description. I only know how it sounded over 15 or more hours of listening time, and that I preferred 3 other amps to it. I think an amp with 1.75 ohm output impedance might not be a good match for speakers that have less impedance than that over the top octave or more. I am sure Ralph disagrees.

So hopefully that finishes the cliffhanger. My apology has not been forthcoming for wrongfully being called a liar however. Big difference between mistaking models and fabricating a story into a lie.

I guessed this was the answer as soon as I surfed over to Atmasphere's site and realized the MA3s look like a crate full of tubes. A reasonable error.

Tim