Back to the Future- the death of the gearhead!

[Elliot G.]

Al

This is really not about you or your system. Once again the thread started by a person, a professional in the industry, who was bowled over by a system he heard while expressing the reasons he came to that conclusion.

I am not sure why audiophiles often make it about themselves and their equipment in order to validate something.

I am really happy you love your system. I am sure it is wonderful. I just don't get your need with every post validate it.

He compares his system to tone of the finest mini's ever made and too yours one of the best speakers on the planet. What is it you dont get Priaptor?????

He can walk on water and manage to do what no one has done before him...He closes his eyes
Priaptor are you stupid or what? LOL

 

[Al M.]

Al

This is really not about you or your system. Once again the thread started by a person, a professional in the industry, who was bowled over by a system he heard while expressing the reasons he came to that conclusion.

I am not sure why audiophiles often make it about themselves and their equipment in order to validate something.

I am really happy you love your system. I am sure it is wonderful. I just don't get your need with every post validate it.

Since I was repeatedly showered with provocative remarks, I feel perfectly entitled to respond every time (I won't, however, grace Elliot's latest attacks with a response).

Remember also that I have posted favorable remarks about your system more than once, including in my previous post where I even defended your investment.

Perhaps it is unfortunate how this thread developed. If Elliot had posted about your system in the section "Member's Gallery", usually dedicated to such threads, instead of in "General Audio Discussion", and not included the title "Back to the Future- the death of the gearhead!", a title which in itself invites comments about more than just your system, the thread would indeed have remained about your system only.

 

[rbbert]

This topic thread sure has deteriorated...

 

[RogerD]

This topic thread sure has deteriorated...

Robert they always do....

 

[Al M.]

Robert they always do....

Not in "Member's Gallery"

 

[Priaptor]

Since I was repeatedly showered with provocative remarks, I feel perfectly entitled to respond every time (I won't, however, grace Elliot's latest attacks with a response).

Remember also that I have posted favorable remarks about your system more than once, including in my previous post where I even defended your investment.

Perhaps it is unfortunate how this thread developed. If Elliot had posted about your system in the section "Member's Gallery", usually dedicated to such threads, instead of in "General Audio Discussion", and not included the title "Back to the Future- the death of the gearhead!", a title which in itself invites comments about more than just your system, the thread would indeed have remained about your system only.

I am not sure Elliot knows the difference between the Member's Gallery and "General Audio Discussion". The only point I am making is that he is giving his impressions of a system and why. If it wasn't my system I wouldn't care. I enjoy hearing discoveries others have made and why. I too was never a big speaker guy, but found one I love. Whatever floats one's boat is great, no need to compare one v. the other.

I always read on these and other forums how this "blows away" or "kills" the other when neither party has heard one component or the other or better yet when none of the variables of either component, namely setup, room size, etc are the same. OR, as has been alluded to on this thread, the "money merry go round" which is ubiquitous on most of the forums, the class envy thing at play. Again, when it comes to how people spend their money, what may seem ridiculous to some is what pleases the others; kind of reminds me of the guy who would make fun of me because I once liked to spend money on cars (that I actually drove not put under a bubble), something I drive and enjoy every single day, yet he spent millions on boats BUT that was OK, even though he rarely used it. But to each his own.

My comments really were more about swaying the conversation from its intended path to where these things usually head. If he posted in the wrong forum, then he should post elsewhere.

 

[Al M.]

I too was never a big speaker guy, but found one I love. Whatever floats one's boat is great, no need to compare one v. the other.

Yes, given your background of a love for monitors you have convinced me that, as HP suggested too, your speakers are capable of properly reproducing small scale music as well as large-scale music. As I had said:

This sounds like a dream speaker then! What I also like is the high sensitivity; ...

It is clear that your system appears to be worth the investment, and I congratulate you on it. I tend to believe that it can do everything that my system can, and then much more, as it should for the price. If some seriously thought that I believe my system can in any way compete in all aspects, then they haven't carefully read my posts.

I always read on these and other forums how this "blows away" or "kills" the other when neither party has heard one component or the other or better yet when none of the variables of either component, namely setup, room size, etc are the same.

Yes, we need to be careful here.

OR, as has been alluded to on this thread, the "money merry go round" which is ubiquitous on most of the forums, the class envy thing at play. Again, when it comes to how people spend their money, what may seem ridiculous to some is what pleases the others; kind of reminds me of the guy who would make fun of me because I once liked to spend money on cars (that I actually drove not put under a bubble), something I drive and enjoy every single day, yet he spent millions on boats BUT that was OK, even though he rarely used it. But to each his own.

Yes, I have full sympathy when someone like you enjoys a high-cost investment that brings them substantial inner satisfaction, like in this case bringing them closer to great music, which is one of the highest and most noble aspirations of mankind. This and a car that you enjoy every day certainly beats millions on boats that are rarely used. Class envy is out of place here.

My comments really were more about swaying the conversation from its intended path to where these things usually head.

Sure, I understand. Yet it is clear that there are misconceptions going around that needed to be addressed, such as lack of proper mid-bass in mini-monitors as a supposed general weakness of all these speakers -- a topic that I hadn't even brought up but was just reacting to.

Again, your system will have far less of the limitations and compromises that every system invariably has, including mine. I admire it for that, and once again, congratulate you on it! Well done, and well done Elliot with the set-up!

 

[caesar]

I agree, Howie. Comparing the achievement of the goal of realistic music reproduction at home with womens' shoe closets, make up bags, and purse collections seems silly. If you can afford your system and it's really worth it, as it truly seems to be in your case, then I can only congratulate you to the enjoyment that it will bring.

On the other hand, to refer back to the title of the thread, I find gearheads with a compulsory drive to always upgrade, without ever being able to actually enjoy music for a while (some are found on WBF as well), well comparable with pursuers of above collections. I also feel pity for them.

Yes, I tend to agree with you about realistic reproduction of music being a greater ideal than the pursuit of fashion. But’s it’s just our preference. Let’s face the reality: beauty, in all of its forms is a worthy pursuit. Remember how a 55 year old grandmother used to look 40 years ago? And now walk into a party, hotel lobby, restaurant, or gym and see how a 55 year old woman looks. Pursuit of beauty has been with us as long as music. Although documented in human history since Cleopatra, there is no doubt that of two women partaking in the "oldest profession in the world", the better looking one was richer and had a better life…Just human nature….

Just try telling the wife or significant other in your life that her very uncomfortable gown and high heeled shoes that make her feet throb, while she is trying to look great, is less important than your “oudated” tube preamp or your “sucky” digital cable! I would love to see a YouTube video of that!

And it’s also a part of human nature to want to upgrade. As I mentioned in a previous post, it is quite pleasurable for us humans to visualize, dream about, and anticipate an imagined, better future. Sorry, this is not an opinion or an anecdotal statement, but is rooted in psychological research. It doesn’t matter if you are an audiophile thinking of new speakers or a new dedicated line, a kid thinking about the new video game console, or a woman thinking about new shoes or lipstick.

Furthermore, research shows that goal pursuit often makes us much happier than goal attainment. From the Kama Sutra: “… from the moment one has obtained something desired, it is no longer desirable…”. How many guys do you know that got that fancy Porsche or built that extravagant, custom built house, and six month later are unhappy and whining about something else? Humans pretty much get used to material possessions very fast. Sure, you get a great emotional boost from a new piece of gear. You may start a thread on it, but in a while the excitement about it gets less and less. After 2 or 3 years, those “puddles of pleasure” dry up, and instead, we start noticing what may be wrong with our system…

Now obviously, this doesn’t apply to Elliot or Priaptor, who are in it for the intrinsic love of music. I think what Elliot is trying to say is that all those years of listening, trying, moving, and swapping gear are all worth it – and have resulted in growth, more passion, and better appreciation and delight. But only when you pursue the system for the ideal of music.