In your experience did you find the front back position of the stacks mattered WRT the front baffle of the mains?
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I got the same speaker as your old speaker. I don’t have subwoofers but I found the bass from Cygnus speaker is very satisfying. Can I also know how the bass of Courante compared to Cygnus?
Cournate is a two way speaker. I really like to find out the bass performance of Courante.
I am always interested in omni design speakers. I do hope you can give your opinion of your speaker against MBL which is also omni design.
There are two very important differences when it comes to how speakers work. Direction of driving force and mass of membrane. At BRS (Bay Radial Speaker), the direction of motion and radiation coincide, the diaphragm being an exterior lightweight thin film with a surface area of 50-100 at Counterpoint, hundreds times that of conventional dome speakers. Due to the principle of its operation, there is no bracking mode. The BRS is a 90-94dB, high-efficiency, high-bandwidth (800Hz-50kHz -3dB) twisted-pulse, highly attenuated tweeter.
In MBL, the driving force and the radiation direction are perpendicular to each other and use a large mass of membrane, so much greater driving force and displacement are required to produce sound, which has several disadvantages. Extreme bad efficiency, narrow bandwidth and poor pulse transmission with poor damping compared to my expectations.
I have had the Courantes now for about 4-5 months. My space is 5.5M X 10M X 3.3M. The Courantes regarding bass pressurize the room and go down into the mid 20's with regards to the low extension.
My impression of the Courante bass does not focus on how low they go. I never think about how low they are going and if I should be adding subs. I DO have several speakers that go even into the mid 20's extension wise, but I feel they DO needs subs.
With the Courante it's the bass impact and dynamics and their linear type bass. When you hear a few bass instruments playing simultaneously you can hear the different bass notes as well as the raising or lowering of dynamics of each individual instrument.
I get the sense when I hear the bass notes that there is never a notice of any bass hump or recess of frequencies in the bass region. It seems all notes from the midrange down as low as the Courantes go is all there and differentiation of bass notes is always in full bloom
The Courante and even more so the Counterpoint are VERY full bodied sounding speakers even in a large room. The bass foundation is majestic and lays the ground for the great 3D holographic soundstage with great layering on the soundstage.
Bass to me is very room dependent, my observations are from my room and one other room that is a bit smaller than my space, where I sold and installed Courantes a few months ago. Same bass character in both rooms. In the smaller room the Zanden tube integrated is driving the Courante. In my space the Pilium Achilles SS amplification is being used.
I am not at all saying that people should not add subs if they want to go to 15Hz or lower, that's great if there room supports a true 15Hz at loud volumes. When I do this It's too much bass energy for my personal preferences, but that's just me.
Here is a video with the Bayz Counterpoints playing and also a nice description of the speakers.
It was the version before this Logos 3N https://goldmund.com/logos-3n-infrasubwoofer/ These are spec'd a bit higher than 10 Hz, the pair I have are spec'd at -3db at 10Hz, but of course that is going to be totally room dependent.
I have this version-
https://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/goldmund-3n-subwoofer-overview.95128/
The version I have were for running with Apologues which go down to 20Hz and then the 3Ns were crossed over in the low 20's, mainly for LFE in HT setups.
I sold four pairs of Apologues and had these 3N's connected to two different systems at different times over the last 10 years. Good for LFE.
Fascinating but expensive. Any plans to introduce more affordable versions using this technology?
As I announced earlier, we are planning a lot of new releases this year, but we can probably start designing the entry-level speaker model later this year or early next year.
Dear Zoltan
Your design is a paradigm shifter an industry disruptor. Good for you! I certainly look forward to hearing about your new models. And maybe hearing them in Warsaw next year.
Fascinating speakers. Would love to hear them.
Saw Mono and Stereo discussion of the Courante posted recently:
https://www.monoandstereo.com/2019/09/bayz-audio-courante-speakers-review.html?m=1
Not meaning to be argumentative, but wondering how/why the Counterpointe is priced $100k higher?
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