Yes, audio dealers sure love these videos, personally i have put the Greek and Jay and their videos on ignore on every platform i frequent. Life is just
to short for watching this kind of salesmanship.
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to short for watching this kind of salesmanship.Exactly! Why waste 20 or 30 minutes watching a video when the entire text could be read (if you wanted to read it at all) in just 2 or 3?
The cost of vegetable soup in Geneva
The inability of a waiter in Basel to laugh
The provenance of the pictures hanging in the Kunstmuseum
The traffic at San Gottard
Christian Gross
The chocolate (my wife's Belgian - they know how to make decent chocolate)
It's just far too clean, it makes me nervous
Is there a single Country worldwide that does NOT annoy you?
I live in Philly and have the 12FH speakers and if anyone is interested to hear them pm me.
I live in Italy and I currently have 12 Signatures, soon there will be 15 Signatures!
If anyone is interested, contact me privately
If anyone is interested, contact me privately
Can you comment on what you have tried to reduce the shouty quality (angle, toe in, room treatments - I have no idea since I've never heard them)? Perhaps you can seek out owners on WBF who can make further suggestions that are worth trying. Perhaps you can make lemonade out of the lemons.
That said, it is lousy that the owner made a commitment and then reneged. He made the right decision the first time. If you paid for shipping and the speakers are in good condition, why can't he clear up the misunderstanding with a holiday gesture?
So this is how you join a community?
I'm finding this decidedly one-sided from two points of view. Let me state I have no commercial interest in Tobin. On returns, as a speaker manufacturer, we would never take back ex-demo stock, allowing a customer a trial. On new, only in cases where we had no dealership, confirmed the customer complete system components (I do not see yours listed), room size, general acoustics, and listening preferences.
Shame on them if Tobian did not go through this process to determine the likelihood of success. Conversely, I would say you have responsibility if you did not have the terms confirmed in writing and confirmed again with Guenther before paying for an ex-demo product. Most folks I know would insist the return policy be written on the face of the invoice.
You did have an option. Hop on an airplane to visit Tobian (tickets are cheap on intercontinental flights as inexpensive insurance against making what I presume was a 30-40k euro purchase.
As for sound, the Tobians are superb speakers. In my experience, they have never sounded anything but balanced, dynamic, and enjoyable. Shouty lies elsewhere in the chain. My observations come from extensive listening sessions in at least three environments with both tube and solid-state amplification. The one constant was cabling from Final Touch Audio and various Lampizator DACS, from the humble USD 4k Amber to the penultimate Horizon DAC.
Lastly, I agree with some other members that WBF is not the place to torch a manufacturer without having written documentation to back it up. Enough said.
I'm finding this decidedly one-sided from two points of view. Let me state I have no commercial interest in Tobin. On returns, as a speaker manufacturer, we would never take back ex-demo stock, allowing a customer a trial. On new, only in cases where we had no dealership, confirmed the customer complete system components (I do not see yours listed), room size, general acoustics, and listening preferences.
Shame on them if Tobian did not go through this process to determine the likelihood of success. Conversely, I would say you have responsibility if you did not have the terms confirmed in writing and confirmed again with Guenther before paying for an ex-demo product. Most folks I know would insist the return policy be written on the face of the invoice.
You did have an option. Hop on an airplane to visit Tobian (tickets are cheap on intercontinental flights as inexpensive insurance against making what I presume was a 30-40k euro purchase.
As for sound, the Tobians are superb speakers. In my experience, they have never sounded anything but balanced, dynamic, and enjoyable. Shouty lies elsewhere in the chain. My observations come from extensive listening sessions in at least three environments with both tube and solid-state amplification. The one constant was cabling from Final Touch Audio and various Lampizator DACS, from the humble USD 4k Amber to the penultimate Horizon DAC.
Lastly, I agree with some other members that WBF is not the place to torch a manufacturer without having written documentation to back it up. Enough said.
Preesumably you paid via credit card? If so, you could get the card company involved....
Republicoftexas69
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I am going to ask. Do you have a financial interest in this Tobian speaker company. I am suspect of your motivations to defend them.
I do NOT sell or promote any brand, product or service. Just having fun in my love and passion for unique HiFi topics, gear and especially tweaks.
Republicoftexas69
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Thankfully I've leaned in my life I don't care or personalize when people on a forum have nothing of value to add so they resort to personal attacks.
This is the second time you've made a snide comment towards me.
I just don't care.
All I can say to you is I wish you a Merry Christmas.
You can waste as much of your energy as you want on hate and negativity but it's sad way to waste your life.
Hopefully the true meaning of Christmas will fill you heart this year.
Perhaps @Synaxis could offer you what listening distance and rake angle he uses. As well as where he points the horn. e.g. outside the shoulder, at the shoulder, inside the shoulder etc. If you sit farther away than Synaxis then you would rake them back a little more. If you sit closer then rake them forward a little more. These would at least get you an idea of where to go.
Republicoftexas69
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Oh boy. Yep okay Merry Christmas. No hate and you truly are over reacting asking a question is not a snide remark it is a question. And to you good day sir.
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