Any playback users could you kindly tell me how much play time does it require to get the best from the PB and what actually changes
The people of PB in their manual write that it takes min of 350 to 500 hours and the player shall become more airy and holographic and the base more deep and taut dont know what they meen it shall take at least 6 to 8 months of playtime to actually judge the player and the player if not liked shall give me a huge depriciation on sale
Hi, this all comes down to how good your ears are,and how good your audio memory is, and in both cases they aren't good at all. However, yes, mechanical things...speakers and headphones and cartridges will change with use, but audibility is of course in the ears of the beholder.
Tubes changes almost everytime you turn them on, power tubes can make quite a change in about 100 hours, and these are all measurable things,but then again, against your ears and memory...
Audio components, such as capacitors of some sorts, and solid state devices that begin to heat up, there are measurable differences, but can you hear them, especially as you listen along as they change...
then there are guys who claim the friggen power cord sounds better after 100 hours of break in time....oh my...god, help me.
Tom
I think this is a generic "problem" with DAC circuitry, they always take many hours, up to days, to fully reach optimum performance. My old Yamaha, using ancient BB chips, took 3 days; the current cheapie keeps building throughout the day, right up to switch off. Which is another reason that digital often has a bad name, the components are judged well before they hit their full stride.The interesting thing is that nearly every time i am working while it is on during late nites or weekends, i look up and say 'whoa'...sound has gone from great to 'whoa'...and it is generally about 3-4 hours after turn on. That is def my Zanden DAC...no idea why, there is this sense of extreme sweetness and depth of tonality that kicks in...and it is always 3-4 hours in.
Hi, this all comes down to how good your ears are,and how good your audio memory is, and in both cases they aren't good at all.
Tom
The people of PB in their manual write that it takes min of 350 to 500 hours and the player shall become more airy and holographic and the base more deep and taut dont know what they meen it shall take at least 6 to 8 months of playtime to actually judge the player and the player if not liked shall give me a huge depriciation on sale
He didn't say anyone's specific ears were not good but that our ears are different. A simple test shows that to be the case. He is also right about auditory memory. Not everyone can remember and compare sounds as good as others.I'm stunned that you have the chutzpa to tell someone their ears aren't very good. You and your signature tag line are becoming a huge buzz-kill for those of us who actually enjoy two-channel audio and actually think our ears are pretty damn good.
Hi, this all comes down to how good your ears are,and how good your audio memory is, and in both cases they aren't good at all. Tom
Hi
Likely another food fight one of those concepts for which there has to be a simpler explanation maybe a mixture of both adaptation and subtle changes in components characteristics. mechanical items are a different story. I recently repaired a Magnepan SMG whose wire were separated from the mylar and after repair it took a while for the speker to sound right .. There NO bass not imagined no bass there were none and it took a while for the bass to become "normal" . I had a similar experience with a new MG 3.6 a few years ago in which case the bass was regularly flapping on one cut at the same volume after leaving the speaker playing Dafos for a day or two on a loop it never flapped again ... Same cut, same volume position
I can understand mechanical items taking time to ..well. gel .. We audiophiles are very good at assigning almost magical explanations to things and it becomes almost a badge of honor to claim that it took some our items a long time to become great... I find the idea of wires break-in amusing. That of electronic components not so amusing but still ..500 hours for a product to beome good is at least interesting and frankly elicit in me some questions:
I suppose some of us believe that many designers trust their ears.. I am Ok with that , so let's suppose that after 500 hours in the design, the prototype doesn't sound "good" .. so that is another 500 hours to judge the final componant again, and again how does the designer decides that this final product is going to be good ? Magic?
We audiophiles provide the answers to the marketing department of Audio companies ... Break-in ..Long hours of breaking during which we adapt to the sound of the equipment, although I believe there are for the very first hours some changes in some components. I have seen personally electrolytic capacitors oozing liquid after first use and I understand the concept of thermal equilibrium for eletronic components.. Values change with temperature some ...but 500 hours which is about 20 days of playing the darn thing non stop! Pluuuuze!
Oh and by the way I have heard a PB5 before "break-in" and it is one DAC on my list and very high indeed.. One of the best I have yet heard
"how good your ears" are is not the same as "your ears aren't good." His statement is a factual one that not everyone has the same hearing acuity. It is an observation and a truthful one. Let's move on please.Amir-I beg to differ. Here is exactly what Tom stated:
What part of Tom saying that your ears “aren’t good at all” wasn’t a blanket statement to all of us that are ears aren’t good? I don’t get it. It wasn’t a positive statement on Tom’s part. I’m not the one that said it, but now I’m the problem.
I would say if you don't like the sound when you first turn it on, return it. Any improvements should it be there, needs to be above and beyond.
. Not everyone can remember and compare sounds as good as others.
Please keep the tone positive.
A criterion I use is whether I can relax with the sound, go with it in an instinctive way. Much hifi has an edge to it, forcing you to comply, to bend to its "will" on how it's gonna tell you what's on the disk. To my mind any system that does that fails -- if it makes me tense in any fashion, especially at high volume, then something's out of kilter ...Just listen.
t's not that hard.
1. You'll need to adjust ypur expectaions.
2. Expect the harhsness to disappear.
3 Expect the system to bloom. Soundstage.
4. It should all finally come together.
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