Can digital get to vinyl sound and at what price?

Does that mean I have to run my audio through a laptop computer? Never have, never will.

I had a unit with lots of DSP and got rid of it. Now enjoy a more conventional system. My room has sensible acoustic treatment, the room was re-built from brickwork upwards, ceiling rebuilt etc. I love the sound quality.

A friend had DSP for years and swore by it. A few years ago he stopped using it as well.

Great that you dedicated so much attention to your room. Rooms are important, easily 50 % of the audio equation.
 
DSP can yield great results but, I would suggest that you get the room itself dialed in as best as you can before using the DSP. You can compare the results easily to see what you prefer. I have heard rooms that were great sounding to me that I felt the DSP robbed of some what I would call magic.
 
Didn't you say repeatedly that vinyl was so inferior in measurements compared to digital?

Shouldn't you then hear the difference easily in a blind test, in favor of the digital even if the vinyl rig is $ 100K?
Interesting point. And sort of along the lines where I say digital and vinyl are very similar. I don't know I could tell my own apart if someone brought their own records and streamed their songs. I'm sure I would stumble. Much more so than if you pulled my Torus out of the system. Or changed my amp from Dartzeel to Blade. Or swapped my speaker from the Trio 15 to Trio 10. I think most people would agree, the performance separation between vinyl and digital sourxes is miniscule. Especially when you consider how much greater other components impacts are. Sort of says to me, pick what you like. You won't go wrong.
 
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I remember a dealer telling me he delivered and installed a pair of PMC Fenestria, the room was so difficult he had to get the client to buy one of those Swiss €10,000 DSP boxes. My dealer came round to do the speaker set-up are my room was rebuilt and it was an absolute breeze, he was done inside an hour. A bit of luck, a bit of design, and a speaker choice that is appropriate for the room.

I don't like heavy bass and don't use a sub, which is a blessing. I'm more concerned with harpsichord sounding bright. It is naturally bright, heavily dependent on the venue, go to a harpsichord recital some places and after two hours you may start to feel it.
 
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Didn't you say repeatedly that vinyl was so inferior in measurements compared to digital?

Shouldn't you then hear the difference easily in a blind test, in favor of the digital even if the vinyl rig is $ 100K?
I was trying to be diplomatic ;)
 
Regarding room correction , even recording studios that are treated better than any audiophile rooms use room correction .
It improves any system or room on the planet .
Some don't like the sound as it's too clean and clear Becaue they hear more direct sound without all the reflected sound , and they're not used to it so they get the impression it's too "sterile ".
But no, that's the best sound you'll get in your room ,period .
 
@AudioGod - You 'liked" vs answered my question regarding what digital equipment is presently in your system - what should I take from that?
 
Regarding room correction , even recording studios that are treated better than any audiophile rooms use room correction .
It improves any system or room on the planet .
Some don't like the sound as it's too clean and clear Becaue they hear more direct sound without all the reflected sound , and they're not used to it so they get the impression it's too "sterile ".
But no, that's the best sound you'll get in your room ,period .
What is wrong with reflections.
 
Hi Mike,
Another member here who compared the MSB Select with the Nagra HD DAC X preferred the Nagra. I will try to find the link.
And the very in-depth Brazilian review preferred the Nagra over the MSB.
All just to say that for anyone considering the MSB Select, they should also consider the Nagra.
Do you know of anyone who compared the Nagra HD DAC X to the PBD MPD-8? Andreas helped design the Nagra so I'm guessing there will be similarities. TMR has their used Nagra HD DAC X listed again, and there is another one for sale used on Audiogon. I'd like to audition the TMR unit but their 5% restocking fee is more than I want to spend on an audition.
 
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I’m afraid your in the wrong hobby my friend
Lol
Like I said I was trying to be diplomatic...
I'll forever think digital is more accurate /detailed / closer to the original master than vinyl will ever be .
But I respect other people's feelings so I tried not to say it so directly .
 
Regarding room correction , even recording studios that are treated better than any audiophile rooms use room correction .
It improves any system or room on the planet .
Some don't like the sound as it's too clean and clear Becaue they hear more direct sound without all the reflected sound , and they're not used to it so they get the impression it's too "sterile ".
But no, that's the best sound you'll get in your room ,period .
No free meals.
using dsp such as trinov can help you fix man issues, however because os filters limitations.

DSP correction might not entirely eliminate all acoustic anomalies or compensate for poor speaker placement or room characteristics, as these systems might struggle with complex room resonances or irregularities. There’s also a risk of overprocessing, leading to an artificial or unnatural sound.
 
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Lol
Like I said I was trying to be diplomatic...
I'll forever think digital is more accurate /detailed / closer to the original master than vinyl will ever be .
But I respect other people's feelings so I tried not to say it so directly .
Other peoples “feelings” or opinions?

I think you should make a trip to London and meet @bonzo75 . You could have dinner together and catch some live music. Then see if you can tagalong on some of his audio trips visiting people with top vinyl and recordings with digital in their systems for comparisons.

Audio God will meet Zero Distortion and the universe may start to expand again.
 
Lol
Like I said I was trying to be diplomatic...
I'll forever think digital is more accurate /detailed / closer to the original master than vinyl will ever be .
But I respect other people's feelings so I tried not to say it so directly .
I respect your opinion.
can you share your ref for that claim, what was the best system \room you based your experience on?
 
No free meals.
using dsp such as trinov can help you fix man issues, however because os filters limitations.

DSP correction might not entirely eliminate all acoustic anomalies or compensate for poor speaker placement or room characteristics, as these systems might struggle with complex room resonances or irregularities. There’s also a risk of overprocessing, leading to an artificial or unnatural sound.
Nothing is perfect
Obviously it can't fix all of the problems
But It can improve most if not all rooms /systems if used correctly
 
I respect your opinion.
can you share your ref for that claim, what was the best system \room you based your experience on?
If it was based on my own personal subjective opinion I wouldn't have even said it.
It's all science based .
That I trust more than my own ears.
 

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