let’s stay objective, what was the system you listen to when you made your opinion about?
Can digital get to vinyl sound and at what price?
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Would you select a stereo for your own home based on measurements or what you enjoy listening too?
I was trying to be diplomatic
Have you ever heard a great vinyl rig? It might blow you away, as it may destroy your preconceptions.
As I said before, you have a very naive and gullible view of science. I should know, given that I am a scientist myself.
You should trust your own ears.
Why would someone want to be involved with this hobby if he couldn’t trust his own ears? It is a hobby that is about listening. Of course, we encounter people with more knowledge and experience than we have, and we can learn things from them about listening, but in the end, isn’t this about enjoying your music collection at home?
There is a segment of this hobby where the hobbyists real hobby is discussing rather than listening. There is a segment where the hobbyists focus on acquisition of “what’s best” and the proof may be by consensus of the deep pocketed elite. One would think that the Venn diagram of the various factions would show some common subset where love of music was king… but evidence on the various discussion forums suggests that this is not the case. The love of sound, or prized gear, often seems to repel those whose love is music.
I don’t think this will ever change. And I really think that the evidence suggests that some of the participants are actually chatbots designed for the purpose of studying the humans and the psychology that drives their participation.
It's not about one system or the other
Yes vinyl has a more "organic " or musical sound than digital in most cases .
But I'm more into Analytical and accurate sound .
I don't even need to enjoy the sound , I just want to hear the recorded music as close as possible to the original master.
You can't do that with vinyl .
Digital has lower distortion , higher dynamic range etc .
Some audiophiles goal is to have pleasant sound that's not necessarily accurate , and that's fine too.
You have to use your ears. You have to listen and find what makes you tick. No one needs to listen to a stereo that is technically perfect if they like warm and rich and full of bloom and immersion. So what if its not audiophile perfect. If it makes you happy, that is all that matters.
I'm not saying it will sound bad
I'm just saying it won't be as accurate as digital
sure. One could argue that anyone posting on an audio forum is not listening to his music so he is engaged in a different hobby. I find your comment too vague and without examples for me to really understand it.
Accuracy and getting the closest to the master and being able to hear every detail as it was recorded
That is my goal.
Others want pleasant sound and couldn't care less about accuracy or details and that's fine .
I'm not saying one's better than the other I'm just saying my goal is different than most here.
Me thinks thou dost protest too much.I'm no bot
So what is it going to take for you to achieve your desired goal? Arguing/debating with those not aligned with your goal doesn't seem like it is progressing your realization of it
No one is arguing
I don't see how's my opinion is less legitimate than anyone else's here.
And just someone likes vinyl and can say it's great , the same can happen with digital .
If it's not allowed and no pluralism is accepted here than it's a different story
So well said and it is, IMHO, the purpose of this thread and others like it. No criticism for those that partake but merely an observation. And in my view, it is extremely difficult if not an impossible thing to do regardless of your writing acuity.
And it sometimes causes mature adults to act in an aggressive, less respectful manner.
@AudioGod You misinterpreted the meaning of that sentence - spending time going back and forth with folks who aren't aligned with your goal takes away from the focus of achieving your goal. If you look at my signature I'm not a vinyl guy . And, you didn't answer - what is it going to take for you to achieve your goal?
I like discussing audio I don't care if someone agrees with me or not.
What is going to take to reach my goal ?
A lot of money
Except that DACs do sound different. So which one is the most "accurate"? The one that "measures best"?
Digital engineer Mike Moffat (formerly Theta Digital, now Schiit) would disagree with you about what "accuracy" means.
Schiit makes the $129 Modi DAC which in several respects measures much better than my Yggdrasil LIM DAC at almost 20 times the price ($2,299) from the same company. The reason is that the Modi is a delta sigma DAC, and the Yggrasil is a ladder DAC; delta sigma just measures better.
Yet Mike Moffat personally doesn't care about delta sigma (cheaper to produce, even though there are also expensive delta sigma DACs) and would probably be the first to say that the Yggdrasil is musically much more accurate than the Modi because it sounds more realistic.
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The good news is that you can have detail, tonal accuracy and a warmer presentation at the same time. Room acoustics have an important part to play in this as well.
Think of it this way. A performer can play the same music on the same instrument in different venues and it will sound different, but will be just as tonally accurate and detailed. The room is the main factor, but electronics can have the same effect.
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