Dartzeel vs. Ayre

[Sammy T]

The XP-25 is a Phono Preamp

 

[asiufy]

Sorry, you're right, I meant to say the XP-20 pre.
The confusion was made because I also heard the XP-25, in my own system, and liked it very much. I just didn't think it was a significant step-up from the built-in phono stage in the darTZeel pre.


alexandre

 

[Jeff Fritz]

And, to be fair, here are some pics of the NHB-18NS. IMHO, even better than the Ayre.

In what way is it better? Chassis? (Note even the wiring channels are milled in the Ayre) Circuit boards? (Note the ceramic in the Ayre) What are you seeing? Or do you just "like" it better?

Just curious . . .

 

[asiufy]

Jeff,

Have you tried the rotary knobs on a darTZeel? THAT is what I mean. I just like the way the darTZeel is setup with individual circuit boards for each input. And the same care is taken with the insides of the machine as with the outside (same polish).
And because I said I believe the swiss stuff is better doesn't mean the Ayre stuff is sub-par.


alexandre

 

[Jeff Fritz]

Jeff,

Have you tried the rotary knobs on a darTZeel? THAT is what I mean. I just like the way the darTZeel is setup with individual circuit boards for each input. And the same care is taken with the insides of the machine as with the outside (same polish).
And because I said I believe the swiss stuff is better doesn't mean the Ayre stuff is sub-par.


alexandre

So you like the look and the feel. Fair enough. You said "flimsy," when, by all accounts, the Ayre KX-R's chassis is simply state of the art . . . even compared to the DarTZeel.

 

[asiufy]

If you say so, and that was your impression, that's cool.
I know which one I prefer
And Jeff, have you heard the darTZeel?


alexandre

 

[Jeff Fritz]

If you say so, and that was your impression, that's cool.
I know which one I prefer
And Jeff, have you heard the darTZeel?


alexandre

No, never said I did. I was just responding to "flimsy."

 

[Gregadd]

http://jeffrowlandgroup.com/us/ that's quality construction!

 

[Gregadd]

 

[AudioExplorations]

Clearly anything that is milled out of a solid block of aluminium is going to be less 'flimsy' than something that is bolted together?

Maybe it's time to move past this and resume discussion on the sonics of the two manufacturers?

 

[Phelonious Ponk]

View attachment 5388http://jeffrowlandgroup.com/us/ that's quality construction!

Kitchen sink on the commode? As always, thunderstruck by the lack of recognition of the absurdity of it all...

Tim

 

[FrantzM]

Clearly anything that is milled out of a solid block of aluminium is going to be less 'flimsy' than something that is bolted together?

Maybe it's time to move past this and resume discussion on the sonics of the two manufacturers?

Indeed ...

 

[Phelonious Ponk]

You guys do know that all that millwork is digital, don't you?

Tim

 

[Gregadd]

Kitchen sink on the commode? As always, thunderstruck by the lack of recognition of the absurdity of it all...

Tim

Tim when when you look at examples of natures magnificent glory, say Niagara falls or Mt. Everest, man's excesses pail by comparison.

 

[Phelonious Ponk]

Tim when when you look at examples of natures magnificent glory, say Niagara falls or Mt. Everest, man's excesses pail by comparison.
gra Fall

Yeah. And Nature ain't even trying to look expensive.

Tim

 

[Steve williams]

No, never said I did. I was just responding to "flimsy."

Jeff

I thought that you had written a controversial review of the Dartzeel several years ago or am I mistaken

 

[Gregadd]

http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/dartzeel_nhb108_modelone.htm

 

[Jeff Fritz]

http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/dartzeel_nhb108_modelone.htm

The amp, yes, not the preamp.

 

[joeinid]

The amp, yes, not the preamp.

I do really like my Dart amp, but it's not for every speaker.

 

[Sammy T]

With my Ayre KXR pre in my current set up , my friend that been in the Hi end audio Business over 40 years, who also has set up 100 hundreds of Phono turntables and tone arms. He thinks It sounds like Tubes.