You can't make a flat recording sound deep but you can make a deep recording sound flat or even forward 
Depth, the final frontier.
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Fernando, I have taken care of the low freq extension with the addition of a REL T5 Sub.
The change in the CAT elicited by the NOS Mullards, ( which did come in the white military box wrapped in brown tissue paper and with pin protectors...a nice touch, IMO) required me to change the settings for the REL. However, I think once again I have the REL dialed in and sounding sweet. Never felt that the GH's lacked dynamics, but then I do know that they require a fairly beefy amp upstream to portray dynamics. Wimpy SET's need not apply
You are right!...I forgot the REL addition to your system (getting old you know..
)..i also used mines with a Velodyne sub and subharmonics were never an issue - courious about the new Guarneris myself - hopefully I will have a chance to listen your system while at San Diego.
I am kind of on jacks side what image concerns .
I foremost like tonal accuracy , speed /dynamics that kind of stuff
In a couple of months time i am gonna find out what improved basextension and 13 inch woofers will bring to the soundstage
Depth is also very dependant on the series tweeter capacitator selected (at least in a parallel crossover ).
Mundorf en duelund are excelent
I foremost like tonal accuracy , speed /dynamics that kind of stuff
In a couple of months time i am gonna find out what improved basextension and 13 inch woofers will bring to the soundstage
Depth is also very dependant on the series tweeter capacitator selected (at least in a parallel crossover ).
Mundorf en duelund are excelent
Yes!! If I was going to throw a bit of money at a speaker, apart from the usual sillinesses in the speaker construction that need to be fixed up, then I would aim to have the most "transparent" capacitor, or equivalent capacitance, in that position that I could engineer ...
Frank
I find depth and hall ambience closely related: as depth builds so does the ambience start to grow in integrity and substance. Allied with that is the magic "trick" of the speakers completely disappearing. And beyond that would be the ability to be able to continue raising the volume without any loss of integrity of the sound, to the limits of the amplifier's voltage swing.
Frank
Thanks for the image, Frank. I'm not sure that version is available here in the US.
Like I said before, the record labels put out different pressings for different areas of the
world.
I love the illusion of depth in a system. While there are recordings which show off depth than others, when such recording hit their stride and let a system achieve this, it can be a breathless experience. I have been awed in my initial years of the hobby with friend's system whose stage can throw back till the end of the walls and sometimes beyond. It's one of the thrilling things I hence look for in my system. I always use a particular Proprius LP, 'Kor', Side 2 cut 1 'Thou Knowest Lord' to test how deep my stage is in my system and when I tube roll, I use this to see what tubes give me the best depth. There is a feeling of spaciousness when I hear depth in recordings and words like 'open', 'air', etc comes to mind. I also believe that if there's no depth in a recording, there should be no 'depth' to be heard too.
My personal experience is that the vast majority of recordings show these qualities to some degree at least, and sometimes it's the relatively old recordings that do this remarkably: they assembled everyone in a large space, layering the instruments in a completely natural way, used very simple miking techniques, with minimal processing of the recording. If you can hear the detail in these recordings cleanly, then the perceived depth and air in them can be quite something ...There is a feeling of spaciousness when I hear depth in recordings and words like 'open', 'air', etc comes to mind. I also believe that if there's no depth in a recording, there should be no 'depth' to be heard too.
Frank
Absolutely, Frank. Labels like Proprius and Opus 3 comes to mind. Opus 3 produced a test record called 'Depth of Image' and the cuts are from various musical genres their old recordings, compiled to showcase this audio attribute called 'depth'. I feel that specially on choral recordings, 'depth' can be a fantastic audio phenomenon, the layering of the rows of singers, you can almost 'see' the rows from front to back.
I find myself in basic agrement. Rather than say the "speakers disappear" I would say the sound is no longer localized to the speakers front panel.
Davey,
Prior to the Mullards, I used GE's 6189 and 5814, also had Telefunken ECC82 very early on, and I also tried what you are using now, the CV 4003. Finally settled in for a 17mm long plate Mullard square getter which had the lushness in vocals that I was looking for. I recall, the GE's do not have as much 'depth' as the Teles or the Mullards, nor do they have the lushness of the Mullards. The Teles are very good in an 'overall' perspective, I can live with them when my long plates go.
Greg, I don't want to stir up the pitbu..., err, Tim, so I won't overcook this, but it is possible to make it impossible for you to acoustically locate the speakers, no matter where you're standing, or sitting. This occurs simply because the auditory picture of the musical event overwhelms your ability to assess the true source of the sound, the acoustic clues of the reproduction dominate the remaining clues that the speaker drivers project of their part in the process.
Frank
Go ahead and give it a try, Greg. Walk right up to the speaker and place an ear just a couple of inches away from the tweeter (or panel, in your case). You won't be able to tell where the speaker is at all! Put your right ear to the speaker, hear it in your left. Put your left ear to the speaker, hear it in your right! All sense of direction just vanishes once you've unplugged the microwave and welded your fillings to the speaker terminals!!!!!!
Tim
This old dog is just rolling on the floor playing with you this morning, Frank. You'll know you need to call animal control when you see blood.
Tim
