Do Grounding Devices produce the same sonic benefit as cables or is it different?
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Thank you, Roger
This I can do.
Two further questions:
1) Is this the same as the Granite Ground Zero box function, i.e. already neatly done for me for ~ $700 vs. self done at ~ $400??
2) Will this significantly, or completely, obviate the benefit of one of the expensive grounding box components such as Tripoint,, Entreq ?
Dave
This I can do.
Two further questions:
1) Is this the same as the Granite Ground Zero box function, i.e. already neatly done for me for ~ $700 vs. self done at ~ $400??
2) Will this significantly, or completely, obviate the benefit of one of the expensive grounding box components such as Tripoint,, Entreq ?
Dave
You know in the world of high end $700 is not much. You might go that route first to get a reference point. My grounding concept seems to produce the same sonic markers as the ones that are spoken of in high regard.
See if they offer a trial period. Good luck
Grounding reveals your system for what it can be. It should be done first. While there are many methods and types to use I.E.
Ground boxes
Ground filters
Iso grounding transformers and in conjunction with above.
Next is cables they tune our setup ideally they should move our system to the center we want without muffling or muting details.
Now we have the most complex of all the interconnect that also grounds. I have played with many ways in all of the above . And the needs are truly individual for both our system and us .
Grounding can be done with filters too. I have even used bypass caps on the PSU in amps , this and simple grounding was huge.
In order grounding should be first and unless you have hum I would not go directly to a combo interconnect.
In short if you hear hum your miles away unless it's time to change caps. Next having no hum still does not mean your done ,
Grounding can unleash dynamics you never heard before and some can be false or real. But at some point you may feel you have improved your setup notible. At this point tune with cables. If you need grounding type cables like entreq. I would first lift grounds on amps and work backwards. Using a grounding post on amp to preamp may help but again trial and error.
If you go right to cables your going down a dark path that may lead to lights but by luck .
Use a note book take notes and use a few well known tracks to stay focused. As noise floor lowers music relaxes and inner details , low level details get revealed .
A great thread would be one person who has issues posts and all help , no need to spend big bucks at first cheap methods show what's needed in most cases.
I hope I helped some , I sell or make nothing but do love fine audio both analog and digital.
Good luck
Ground boxes
Ground filters
Iso grounding transformers and in conjunction with above.
Next is cables they tune our setup ideally they should move our system to the center we want without muffling or muting details.
Now we have the most complex of all the interconnect that also grounds. I have played with many ways in all of the above . And the needs are truly individual for both our system and us .
Grounding can be done with filters too. I have even used bypass caps on the PSU in amps , this and simple grounding was huge.
In order grounding should be first and unless you have hum I would not go directly to a combo interconnect.
In short if you hear hum your miles away unless it's time to change caps. Next having no hum still does not mean your done ,
Grounding can unleash dynamics you never heard before and some can be false or real. But at some point you may feel you have improved your setup notible. At this point tune with cables. If you need grounding type cables like entreq. I would first lift grounds on amps and work backwards. Using a grounding post on amp to preamp may help but again trial and error.
If you go right to cables your going down a dark path that may lead to lights but by luck .
Use a note book take notes and use a few well known tracks to stay focused. As noise floor lowers music relaxes and inner details , low level details get revealed .
A great thread would be one person who has issues posts and all help , no need to spend big bucks at first cheap methods show what's needed in most cases.
I hope I helped some , I sell or make nothing but do love fine audio both analog and digital.
Good luck
I am happy for you but in truth most setups may benefit from trying it. I said it not to leave but to,test and lifting grounds for testing is must . Just having a mixture of SE devices can couse havoc. In SE there are two,types. One is standard center conductor and shield . The shield is at ground potential . The second is both sides of the signal are not grouned. So if you mix them one must lift the ground on one side or both to confirm sound. Hi end audio is complex and many don't get what they can from there setups exactly from your comment.
Yes, this would be a excellent 'good engineering practice' system.
The idea is to reduce the impedance from chassis to chassis.
Yes, impedance, this complex thing in both technical and semantic sense ...
However considering that most manufacturers have bizarre grounding techniques sometimes this practice can have unexpected results in sound quality. My advice is try and listen. Surely IMHO, YMMV.
A better idea as tri point may offer is making the grounding inside your devices proper
The power cord should be the only ground source or not be used and use the casing. To use both is by definition a ground loop.
Now I know some will claim the makers know best but they don’t and as we mix Devices varying topology is against us.
It’s why I suggested lifting the power ground just to hear what happens. Grounding is paramount in all systems and having a large ground wide is only part of what’s needed.
If we use a power cord ground and a case ground or interconnect grounding cables we are making our systems far more complex and most likly add noise even if there is no hum there is noise in your music.
Dynamics must be have naturalness to it not strident. Also by playing with what I posted they may come a point that seems to lower the volume a bit. This more likly is good as it has lowered the hash in your music. Now of it makes it not have dynamics or makes it sound dull this is bad lol. But tying is paramount
The power cord should be the only ground source or not be used and use the casing. To use both is by definition a ground loop.
Now I know some will claim the makers know best but they don’t and as we mix Devices varying topology is against us.
It’s why I suggested lifting the power ground just to hear what happens. Grounding is paramount in all systems and having a large ground wide is only part of what’s needed.
If we use a power cord ground and a case ground or interconnect grounding cables we are making our systems far more complex and most likly add noise even if there is no hum there is noise in your music.
Dynamics must be have naturalness to it not strident. Also by playing with what I posted they may come a point that seems to lower the volume a bit. This more likly is good as it has lowered the hash in your music. Now of it makes it not have dynamics or makes it sound dull this is bad lol. But tying is paramount
Micro I have grown to like your post more each time lol so nice to be technical and understand makers not acting in best methods
Great post
Yes, but our problem is that most times, in spite of not acting in the officially accepted best methods, the sound quality of their equipment matches our preference and soul ... And the sound quality of those who claim to use the best methods sometimes does not appeal to me.
Anyway a mass of extremely hot air coming from North Africa is approaching southwestern Europe - no more tubes or separates for a week, bye bye grounding problems!
I've written a review of the Synergistic ground plane which will publish soon. In my opinion, you need both good cables and good grounding for the best results. What I like about SR is that the product is very effective, low cost ($600) and the cables themselves, in addition to components, are grounded. You plug in the ground plane to a different outlet. In my listening room, I could A/B with the grounding plugged in or not. Having all the components and cables grounded made a nice difference. Many of the pricier grounding devices also limit the amount of connections you have.
You can try the SR Ground Plane for 30 days and return it if it doesn't meet your expectations.
