Do Mobile Fidelity Vinyl Re-issues Have a Digital Step in the Process?
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An interesting note, those Mitsubishi digital recorders had a sampling rate of 50.4 KHz, compared to later recorders with 44.1 KHz and the iindustry standard 48 KHz sampling rate. What was the sampling rate of those early Decca, Soundstream and Denon digital PCM recorders?
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I don’t understand why you don’t understand this!
MFSL have come out and said that their forthcoming edition will have lacquers cut from a DSD file and not the source tape.
That’s what triggered this whole thread isn’t it?
You said you’d cancelled your preorder iirc?
Im just interested whether it’s because of the revelation about the digital source for cutting, the lack of honesty from MFSL, or something else?
Side question is whether you’d reject a potentially uncompressed and superior sounding remaster because it came from a digital source?
Decca made their own digital recorders - modified a JVC video recorder. 48/16. When they were bought by Polygram in later 1980, they had a big fight with Philips which was using the Sony 44/16 system. Decca kept their system. I interviewed the Decca engineer who developed their system for my Decca book back in 2014. Their digital vinyl releases all used their system and they had to send their machines to Baarn so that Polygram could decode their Decca's digital files for conversion to CD's.
Larry
If they are using 4x DSD there shouldn't be any buildup of noise until 70-80khz. A 30-50khz bump indicates single rate DSD. I'm guessing that this was sourced from their SACD master.
This would have been some variation of the Gain 2 Ultradisk system they used for SACD: single rate DSD with EMM Labs ADC converter. Those SACDs still sound great, by the way. It also makes sense since they released an Abraxas SACD as well.
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Thanks. It’s not the SACDs I’m questioning, it’s MOFIs production of vinyl using digital without informing anyone.
Yeah, they were pretty slippery when advertising that their cutting process is all analog, while hiding the fact that the actual mastering is DSD.
I'm going by what's on their site the other stuff is noise.
I don't think there's any interest here for that in this thread Brian. I've been vocal against all audiophile labels for a very long time I've my posted my arguments in many threads in this forum. My mind set is very different from people who're willing to pay premium for a MJ record printed in tens of millions that one can find even sealed originals for not much just because someone stuck an "audiophile" in there, they don't want to hear from me no more than you wanted to hear what I had to say about streaming
.david
Mobile Fidelity storm in a teacup
I have seen this topic blow-up all over the place. Yes, Mobile Fidelity have not been transparent with the process they use to make their records, yes that is out of order. But the way people are going on about this, you would think it’s the end of the world. This is real first world problems and frankly it’s laughable.
Some of the words I have read and videos I have seen, frankly makes me want to laugh my head off. People feel like they have been deceived and some are going to dump records they have had and loved for years, seriously if they have enjoyed it for years. What has suddenly changed, does it not sound as good as they thought now Just because they now know it may have digital steps in the process?
People moan about resale value will be low, for me personally I don’t buy music for the resale value. I buy the music I want to listen to and enjoy, with no intention in ever reselling.
If those people stick to their words and start dumping their MoFi’s, the rest of us that just want a good sounding records can pick up bargains and not have to pay as much for them. I am all for everyone dumping their Mofi’s. Please start dumping them.
All this uproar about Mobile Fidelity, Apple is another company that has been treating their customers with contempt for years. Do this people say I am never buying Apple products again, hell no they say please Mr Apple take more of my money.
This video made me laugh
This video by Steve Guttenberg, I am with him on this one.
I have seen this topic blow-up all over the place. Yes, Mobile Fidelity have not been transparent with the process they use to make their records, yes that is out of order. But the way people are going on about this, you would think it’s the end of the world. This is real first world problems and frankly it’s laughable.
Some of the words I have read and videos I have seen, frankly makes me want to laugh my head off. People feel like they have been deceived and some are going to dump records they have had and loved for years, seriously if they have enjoyed it for years. What has suddenly changed, does it not sound as good as they thought now Just because they now know it may have digital steps in the process?
People moan about resale value will be low, for me personally I don’t buy music for the resale value. I buy the music I want to listen to and enjoy, with no intention in ever reselling.
If those people stick to their words and start dumping their MoFi’s, the rest of us that just want a good sounding records can pick up bargains and not have to pay as much for them. I am all for everyone dumping their Mofi’s. Please start dumping them.
All this uproar about Mobile Fidelity, Apple is another company that has been treating their customers with contempt for years. Do this people say I am never buying Apple products again, hell no they say please Mr Apple take more of my money.
This video made me laugh
This video by Steve Guttenberg, I am with him on this one.
Mobile Fidelity storm in a teacup
I have seen this topic blow-up all over the place. Yes, Mobile Fidelity have not been transparent with the process they use to make their records, yes that is out of order. But the way people are going on about this, you would think it’s the end of the world. This is real first world problems and frankly it’s laughable.
Some of the words I have read and videos I have seen, frankly makes me want to laugh my head off. People feel like they have been deceived and some are going to dump records they have had and loved for years, seriously if they have enjoyed it for years. What has suddenly changed, does it not sound as good as they thought now Just because they now know it may have digital steps in the process?
People moan about resale value will be low, for me personally I don’t buy music for the resale value. I buy the music I want to listen to and enjoy, with no intention in ever reselling.
If those people stick to their words and start dumping their MoFi’s, the rest of us that just want a good sounding records can pick up bargains and not have to pay as much for them. I am all for everyone dumping their Mofi’s. Please start dumping them.
All this uproar about Mobile Fidelity, Apple is another company that has been treating their customers with contempt for years. Do this people say I am never buying Apple products again, hell no they say please Mr Apple take more of my money.
This video made me laugh
This video by Steve Guttenberg, I am with him on this one.
Interesting Guttenberg video, thanks!
Mobile Fidelity storm in a teacup
I have seen this topic blow-up all over the place. Yes, Mobile Fidelity have not been transparent with the process they use to make their records, yes that is out of order. But the way people are going on about this, you would think it’s the end of the world. This is real first world problems and frankly it’s laughable.
Some of the words I have read and videos I have seen, frankly makes me want to laugh my head off. People feel like they have been deceived and some are going to dump records they have had and loved for years, seriously if they have enjoyed it for years. What has suddenly changed, does it not sound as good as they thought now Just because they now know it may have digital steps in the process?
People moan about resale value will be low, for me personally I don’t buy music for the resale value. I buy the music I want to listen to and enjoy, with no intention in ever reselling.
If those people stick to their words and start dumping their MoFi’s, the rest of us that just want a good sounding records can pick up bargains and not have to pay as much for them. I am all for everyone dumping their Mofi’s. Please start dumping them.
All this uproar about Mobile Fidelity, Apple is another company that has been treating their customers with contempt for years. Do this people say I am never buying Apple products again, hell no they say please Mr Apple take more of my money.
This video made me laugh
This video by Steve Guttenberg, I am with him on this one.
Respectfully, some of us still value honesty, integrity, and transparency. If an audio business lacks these it bad for our hobby!
Still crickets from the MoFi execs?
Mobile Fidelity storm in a teacup
I have seen this topic blow-up all over the place. Yes, Mobile Fidelity have not been transparent with the process they use to make their records, yes that is out of order. But the way people are going on about this, you would think it’s the end of the world. This is real first world problems and frankly it’s laughable.
Some of the words I have read and videos I have seen, frankly makes me want to laugh my head off. People feel like they have been deceived and some are going to dump records they have had and loved for years, seriously if they have enjoyed it for years. What has suddenly changed, does it not sound as good as they thought now Just because they now know it may have digital steps in the process?
People moan about resale value will be low, for me personally I don’t buy music for the resale value. I buy the music I want to listen to and enjoy, with no intention in ever reselling.
If those people stick to their words and start dumping their MoFi’s, the rest of us that just want a good sounding records can pick up bargains and not have to pay as much for them. I am all for everyone dumping their Mofi’s. Please start dumping them.
All this uproar about Mobile Fidelity, Apple is another company that has been treating their customers with contempt for years. Do this people say I am never buying Apple products again, hell no they say please Mr Apple take more of my money.
There must be a lot of hurt pride in people who were swearing that analog was so superior, and now discover that all their beloved vinyl records were digital...
Perhaps digital is fine after all...no, can't be!!
If vinyl provides a nice coloration that makes those digital files sound good, so what?
I watched some of YouTube videos on the subject, and apparently the only idea comments section came away with is that "See digital sounds exactly the same as analog! Those audiophools! Everything sounds the same and records are a scam!" None of them have ever heard of DSD (which seems to be only infrequently mentioned in these videos). As pertains to sound quality, the fact that they are using a superior digital format that isn't like PCM in the way it sounds or functions does not get across at all. Ultimately, this is the message the public at large will pick up from the whole fiasco. "Analog is a scam and audiophiles are dupes and idiots"
MoFi was dishonest, which is an issue that stands. You can see it in their body posture and the way they speak.
But beyond that, here is the question: Would you prefer a worse quality record if you knew the source was direct from tape? Does anyone prefer the sound of MoFi's older process?
There is no way they could do this One-Step process with actual tape masters. On this part I have to agree with Steve Guttenberg, and guys like Paul McGowan, it was absolutely right to do what they did from an engineering perspective. Quad DSD is as close as you can get to a master tape that doesn't shed and that you can own forever.
It's a shame that they lied about it, but also a shame that they face lower sales if they improve their process with a DSD copy.
MoFi was dishonest, which is an issue that stands. You can see it in their body posture and the way they speak.
But beyond that, here is the question: Would you prefer a worse quality record if you knew the source was direct from tape? Does anyone prefer the sound of MoFi's older process?
There is no way they could do this One-Step process with actual tape masters. On this part I have to agree with Steve Guttenberg, and guys like Paul McGowan, it was absolutely right to do what they did from an engineering perspective. Quad DSD is as close as you can get to a master tape that doesn't shed and that you can own forever.
It's a shame that they lied about it, but also a shame that they face lower sales if they improve their process with a DSD copy.
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According to your reasoning even fake vinyl sounds better than your pure digital.
LOL!
The only company I have some trust in for being AAA would be The Electric Recording Co, but I think they’re assholes the way they run their model.
I think the Blue Note Tone Poet series is also AAA. Fantastic, lively, exciting sound, for sure, on a great vinyl rig!
Some of my favorite jazz, too!
That's why I said in another thread.I'm going by what's on their site the other stuff is noise.
I don't think there's any interest here for that in this thread Brian. I've been vocal against all audiophile labels for a very long time I've my posted my arguments in many threads in this forum. My mind set is very different from people who're willing to pay premium for a MJ record printed in tens of millions that one can find even sealed originals for not much just because someone stuck an "audiophile" in there, they don't want to hear from me no more than you wanted to hear what I had to say about streaming
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