Does Everything Make a Difference?

[Geoffkait]

3. CD Purity CD spray to reduce effects of polycarbonate porosity. Polycarbonate is only about 91% transparent. Also reduces laser scattering.

R: You may try Essence of music digital spray, by far the best I tested. Mandatory. Reduce bi refringence. I tried so many brands, only 2 were very effective with no drawbacks and Essence is by far the best.

I have also tried a great many CD sprays, almost all 11 or 12 or however many. I think I had Essence of Music, my favorite up to now was Xtreme AV 2-step spray treatment, long out of print. My CD spray makes the polycarbonate layer behave like glass, which is considerably more transparent.

4. 3 strips of 3M Super 88 tape 1.5” long and cut in half lengthwise on label side of CD, radially

R: This is almost like Harmonix CD sheet. In fact I tested many things like that and the sound is different, not better (at least on the very best transport like Playback Designs, Goldmund and JMF Audio 3.7). Also strip can induce harmonics vibrations at H1 and H3 because they will unbalance the CD. Strips are most about damping and could add a bit inertia but at the cost of increased unbalanced rotation. All this could also depend on the gap of the center hole of a CD/SACD. As I tooled my CD with AUDIODESK systems CD improver, I reduce unbalance (and laser unwanted reflection) but sometimes CD or SACD are clearly unbalanced (less musicality and could induce rotation noise even in precise machines).

>>>>My system using Super 88 is effective, repeatable and transferrable. And it’s free.

5. All CDs twice quasi cryo‘d QC’d in freezer 2x48 hours.

R: I tried freezing and do not hear any difference. I will try 2x48h. Cryology is very interesting to remove constrained in metallurgy, it's well known. I studied that at university. However, cryology is I think, done at much lesser temp than -18°C.

>>>>Of course home freezing is much warmer than cryo temperatures. That’s why it seems so outlandish. I was one of the first to incorporate cryo and home freezing for audio stuff. It also begs the question, are the effects of cryo 100% because of “molecular realignment.”

6. Demag/Destatic CD prior to playing - rotate disc with thumb of one hand whilst holding demag steady over totaling disc with other hand, rotate disc 3 times. Also rotate CD perpendicular to demag to get the outer edge… better safe than sorry.

R: Demag is mandatory and I much prefer magnets than AC demag. Static, yes, may be the most important with CD laser side optical treatment. I use Nordost Eco 3x on the label side and Furutech Destat III on the laser side. DS Audio desert is said by one of my customer to be better.

>>>>I used to use Nordost, however my (passive) quantum Demag/Destatic device is more effective and thorough. I used Walker Talisman for a long time, until now. My take, thanks to Lloyd Walker, is magnetism has rather little to do with it.

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

 

[COF]

As with all things Geoff Kait, POE's Law is in play.

But it's good to see you are still around, Geoff!

 

[Geoffkait]

It’s better to be a round than a square.

 

[PhP]

I have also tried a great many CD sprays, almost all 11 or 12 or however many. I think I had Essence of Music, my favorite up to now was Xtreme AV 2-step spray treatment, long out of print. My CD spray makes the polycarbonate layer behave like glass, which is considerably more transparent.
R: Essence of Music is also a 2 step treatment and also make polycarbonate transparent like glass.

>>>>My system using Super 88 is effective, repeatable and transferrable. And it’s free.
R: Ok, I will stay without adding lateral unbalanced force. The best players have less system correction to produce less distortion.

>>>>Of course home freezing is much warmer than cryo temperatures. That’s why it seems so outlandish. I was one of the first to incorporate cryo and home freezing for audio stuff. It also begs the question, are the effects of cryo 100% because of “molecular realignment.”
R: Molecular realignment at -18° . CD is polycarbonate so a no crystalline material but yes aluminium is. I doubt but I will try.

>>>>I used to use Nordost, however my (passive) quantum Demag/Destatic device is more effective and thorough. I used Walker Talisman for a long time, until now. My take, thanks to Lloyd Walker, is magnetism has rather little to do with it.

R : I used Walker Talisman for years too, but now I use CD-Enhancer for Sweeden. Nordost ECO3 was good, ECO3X is much much better. What is your Quantum device ? Telos?

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica

 

[Geoffkait]

Geoffkait wrote,

>>>>My system using Super 88 is effective, repeatable and transferrable. And it’s free.

to which PhP replied,

“R: Ok, I will stay without adding lateral unbalanced force. The best players have less system correction to produce less distortion.”

>>>>>But the Super 88 strips are applied symmetrically, radially 120 degRees apart. Like the spokes of a wheel. So they act as stiffeners and dampers. CDs are often *out-of-round* and discs are often/usually not level while spinning, exacerbating the problems.

In my world all (Repeat all) players inherently produce distortion, it’s unavoidable - Scattered laser light, internal and external vibration, wobbling and fluttering of the physical disc, porosity of the clear layer. It’s the very nanotechnology that makes the system work that also distorts the signal. The “laser reading system” is sensitive to nanoscale changes in dimension as laser attempts to read data spiral - I.e., wobbling and fluttering.

 

[Geoffkait]

PhP wrote,

R : I used Walker Talisman for years too, but now I use CD-Enhancer for Sweeden. Nordost ECO3 was good, ECO3X is much much better. What is your Quantum device ? Telos?

My device is Machina Dynamica’s Quantum Demag/Destatic.

 

[PhP]

PhP wrote,

R : I used Walker Talisman for years too, but now I use CD-Enhancer for Sweeden. Nordost ECO3 was good, ECO3X is much much better. What is your Quantum device ? Telos?

My device is Machina Dynamica’s Quantum Demag/Destatic.

I see the wooden box with the strange card. I tried some quantum stickers for Netherlands and found the modify the sound profoundly (curiously) but the sound was different and not better.

 

[PhP]

Geoffkait wrote,

>>>>My system using Super 88 is effective, repeatable and transferrable. And it’s free.

to which PhP replied,

“R: Ok, I will stay without adding lateral unbalanced force. The best players have less system correction to produce less distortion.”

>>>>>But the Super 88 strips are applied symmetrically, radially 120 degRees apart. Like the spokes of a wheel. So they act as stiffeners and dampers. CDs are often *out-of-round* and discs are often/usually not level while spinning, exacerbating the problems.

In my world all (Repeat all) players inherently produce distortion, it’s unavoidable - Scattered laser light, internal and external vibration, wobbling and fluttering of the physical disc, porosity of the clear layer. It’s the very nanotechnology that makes the system work that also distorts the signal. The “laser reading system” is sensitive to nanoscale changes in dimension as laser attempts to read data spiral - I.e., wobbling and fluttering.

Of course it's that sensitive. All players produce distorsion when they begin to correct because of some tracking reasons. That's why I use a light conditionner NESPA Pro (engineered by STAX in the past, and not available anymore), it's quite impressive how it turn a 2D CD into 3D, not speaking of the other improvements about tones, dynamics... Anyway I cannot put anything like strips that are not precisely put with high precision. "Like spoke on a wheel.." be careful I'm a bike specialist as I race form many years now, apart being an Engineer and Professor in Mechanical vibrations in a French Engineers University.
But all you said about wobbling and fluttering is right. CD/SACDs are difficult media to read properly, but when you do it, it's rewarding. Your feedback is globally on the same process I share with some of my customers in France, Sweeden, Poland... interesting

 

[Geoffkait]

I see the wooden box with the strange card. I tried some quantum stickers for Netherlands and found the modify the sound profoundly (curiously) but the sound was different and not better.

Have you ever tried the WA Quantum Chips? I liked them quite a bit. Like a lot of this type of thing some experimentation may be needed. I used to make and sell The Super Intelligent Chip way back when, based on artificial atoms.

I’m familiar with the Nespa device. Did you ever see the review of Nespa by the two PhDs - “Photon Cannons?” They reviewed the Nespa and The Intelligent Box about the same time, originally published as single article. Looks like they split it into separate articles.

The Box was introduced at same time as my Super Intelligent Chip, an update on the original Intelligent Chip, also reviewed by the same PhDs Prior to Photon Cannons.

6 Moons review of Nespa,

6moons audio reviews: Nanotec Systems NESPA #1

6 Moons review of Intelligent Box,

6moons audio reviews: Machina Dynamica Intelligent Box

 

[PhP]

Have you ever tried the WA Quantum Chips? I liked them quite a bit. Like a lot of this type of thing some experimentation may be needed. I used to make and sell The Super Intelligent Chip way back when, based on artificial atoms.

I’m familiar with the Nespa device. Did you ever see the review of Nespa by the two PhDs - “Photon Cannons?” They reviewed the Nespa and The Intelligent Box about the same time, originally published as single article. Looks like they split it into separate articles.

The Box was introduced at same time as my Super Intelligent Chip, an update on the original Intelligent Chip, also reviewed by the same PhDs Prior to Photon Cannons.

6 Moons review of Nespa,

6moons audio reviews: Nanotec Systems NESPA #1

6 Moons review of Intelligent Box,

6moons audio reviews: Machina Dynamica Intelligent Box

I tried WA Quantum Chips, 2 different models. I found the effect to be powerful but not my taste. The sound become sweet, too sweet, less definition, less transient integrity (should be fast but not bright). I tried the in the audio system, on a power supply in actor room that have the same ground than the audio room, and other places, each time I obtained the same result. I tried WA caps, they have more or less the same impact on my electronics, powerful effect but transforming a fantastic SS amplifier in a round one. I should say that Telos Quantum caps did the same detrimental effect (RCA), save the XLR one (?). NESPA review I know as I have NESPA Pro for more than 12 years now. Mandatory gear. It could be great if someone or STAX will build (or change lamps) it again.
My behavior is puer engineering and probably more physician than mathematician. That's why like Fox Mulder, I am open minded even to curious things that I do not understand how it works. Hearing is important. On contrary I see fallacious assertion on "scientific" forums that mesure wrong things to declare "power cables do not work" "....". I tried 2 accessories they said declare "snake oil". One is really effective but the sound is different and I think worse than without it (Shakti Stone air), the other is clearly stunning (Furutech Clear AC) how it cures electric problems. Same with NFC treatment, small adds can help, massive use transforms your system in a sleeping one. But this is my experiment.

 

[Geoffkait]

I suspect the WA Quantum Chips active ingredient was improperly spec’s for wavelength in some cases, but I had good results with chips for headphones (inductor chip) and fuse box (power chip). Having designed quantum chips myself imo it can be a little tricky to match wavelength to application. I suspect sometimes they had to guess. I‘m a big fan of many tweaks, including but not limited to Mpingo disc, Shun Mook Cable Jacket, crystals generally, PWB Holographic Foils, Schumann Frequency generators, especially acoustic version, fancy fuses, wire directionality generally, Graphene generally, tiny little bowl acoustic resonators,, Ultra hard ceramic cones (DH), The Tice Clock.

Also, just curious, how did you use the Walker Talisman on CDs? Did you ever try it on cables or speakers/headphones?

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica
We do artificial atoms right!

 

[PhP]

I suspect the WA Quantum Chips active ingredient was improperly spec’s for wavelength in some cases, but I had good results with chips for headphones (inductor chip) and fuse box (power chip). Having designed quantum chips myself imo it can be a little tricky to match wavelength to application. I suspect sometimes they had to guess. I‘m a big fan of many tweaks, including but not limited to Mpingo disc, Shun Mook Cable Jacket, crystals generally, PWB Holographic Foils, Schumann Frequency generators, especially acoustic version, fancy fuses, wire directionality generally, Graphene generally, tiny little bowl acoustic resonators,, Ultra hard ceramic cones (DH), The Tice Clock.

Also, just curious, how did you use the Walker Talisman on CDs? Did you ever try it on cables or speakers/headphones?

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica
We do artificial atoms right!

Mpingo, I used 10 years ago, not anymore
Fuses : only few works really. Simple Shurter gold plated work fine, SR best but very long to burn in and overpriced.
Wires directionality : very important due to metallurgy process, but also to burn in at the manufacturer (mine use a Dharma conditionner)
Cones : they need to be harder than the gear to drain vibrations. However they should not ring as this compromise draining by self resonance. I spend endless time on the subject.
All other accessories I tried are not in my demo system, because I find that most are useful when you have to balance the sound. The better the system, less tweak is needed but fore sure some are mandatory. The most used accessories are Harmonix TU-210 ZXM + RF-999@+, nearly everywhere.

I was Walker audio importer/dealer for around 8 years and stopped 5 years ago. I used Talisman for CD, cables and loudspeakers demag. Now I use CD-ENHANCER from only for CD/SACD, cables with precautions but not frequently for the planars (the effect is not as crucial than on electrodynamic).
I do not use headphone since I was 20 (I had electrostatic at that time).

 

[Geoffkait]

Thanks for response but I’m wondering if you followed Lloyd Walker’s instructions regarding spinning the CD on a finger of one hand with thumb while holding the Talisman steady above the spinning CD?

 

[Geoffkait]

Cones : they need to be harder than the gear to drain vibrations. However they should not ring as this compromise draining by self resonance. I spend endless time on the subject.

In order of effectiveness and hardness, which are proportional, the best are NASA grade ceramics, then tempered steel, then on to softer materials like carbon fiber, aluminum and brass. I like the Diamond tipped Shun Mook idea too. I have used real diamonds as shuns for printed circuit boards, try it, also unscrew screws holding down printed circuit boards, they transfer energy too much when tight. Ceramics sound best of all. I spent a little time on the subject myself. Of course, vibration isolation should be incorporated, too. Lloyd Walker asked me if I could design an isolation system for his expensive TT but I hadn’t got to that point yet, that was not until later. I did have a sub Hertz iso platform at that time, however, which appeared in Mapleshade’s exhibit CES97.

 

[PhP]

Thanks for response but I’m wondering if you followed Lloyd Walker’s instructions regarding spinning the CD on a finger of one hand with thumb while holding the Talisman steady above the spinning CD?

yes

 

[PhP]

In order of effectiveness and hardness, which are proportional, the best are NASA grade ceramics, then tempered steel, then on to softer materials like carbon fiber, aluminum and brass. I like the Diamond tipped Shun Mook idea too. I have used real diamonds as shuns for printed circuit boards, try it, also unscrew screws holding down printed circuit boards, they transfer energy too much when tight. Ceramics sound best of all. I spent a little time on the subject myself. Of course, vibration isolation should be incorporated, too. Lloyd Walker asked me if I could design an isolation system for his expensive TT but I hadn’t got to that point yet, that was not until later. I did have a sub Hertz iso platform at that time, however, which appeared in Mapleshade’s exhibit CES97.

The harder the best but ceramic has a high self resonance, this is why I prefer steel and tungsten. I do not like carbon (very good for bike frame and wheels). Carbon is to much damp and cannot really act as a mechanical diode. Brass is better than aluminium for cones. I tried Shun Mook diamond tipped, a bit too warm for me. For printed boards I do nothing, APURNA™ electronics have a special construction inside, just awesome, and also the cabinet is as good as I could have done. I just ask to modify the feet to receive cones (the feet are linked to base plate, inner monobloc chassis and upper plate.

 

[Geoffkait]

The resonance issue is interesting, Of course resonance can be a good thing, just look at the Shun Mook Mpingo Record weight and Diamond ebony feet. ballistic shapes are also superior in SQ generally to non ballistic feet. Anyway, I also used ceramic cones as node damping devices on speakers, electrinics, there’s no end of places to use them, even walls and windows. The Mpingo discs are directional, built many of them. you want them to resonate in the direction away from the component or object. I was a dealer for Golden Sound so I had a boatload of DH (Diamond hardness) cones.

As you say, the vibrations need to be drained away from the gear, at the same time you want to block footfall and seismic type vibration from coming up from the floor. Also, some materials that have a reputation for ringing (granite, ceramic) actually sound very good when they’re thick, their thickness translates to stiffness and unless you strike it with a hammer they won’t ring. for ballistic or cone shaped feet, if they do ring at all which they probably don’t, the vibrations tend to go down to the floor, since they act as mechanical diodes. That’s also why cones sound bad when they are points up.

 

[Geoffkait]

This just in. I tried an old experiment, I used my Demag/Destatic on things in the room that might, or probably do, develop a static electric charge Over time. Examples: clothing, rolls of plastic bubble wrap, glass, curtains, carpets, bed sheets and covers, pillows. neutralizing electric charges in the room produced a significant improvement to bass performance, clarity and dynamic range. Hush my mouth and call me cornpone!

 

[jeromelang]

This just in. I tried an old experiment, I used my Demag/Destatic on things in the room that might, or probably do, develop a static electric charge Over time. Examples: clothing, rolls of plastic bubble wrap, glass, curtains, carpets, bed sheets and covers, pillows. neutralizing electric charges in the room produced a significant improvement to bass performance, clarity and dynamic range. Hush my mouth and call me cornpone!

That why no good keep cd and vinyl in the same room

 

[Geoffkait]

That why no good keep cd and vinyl in the same room

I’m not exactly sure what comment you were referring to. Electric Static Charge?

Actually, yes I realize this might be slightly off the subject, but it can be shown with careful experimentation that having both CDs and LPs in the room hurts the sound. So, for a quick upgrade move all CDs and LPs to another room. A good experiment for a rainy Wednesday, perhaps. Not only that, but storing CDs and LPs *horizontally* as opposed to vertically degrades the sound. Another one for rainy day.