DS Audio Ionizer

[Kcin]

So why not buy that cheap ionizing device, as opposed to spending $1800 for virtually the same thing

I haven't purchased anything yet.
The answer is like , record cleaners, equipment stands, wires or anything else in audio. You either want a packaged product from a trusted manufacturer or you are willing to experiment and accept your own results.

 

[Folsom]

This industrial white colour box-shaped antistatic fan is made in Mainland China and available in Hong Kong for more than 10 years.
Interestingly, when compared with similar products such as Furutech Destatic on cd and LP, the resulting sonic improvement is much less.
Therefore although it's dirt cheap (<usd50), very very few HK audiophiles are using them.

This screams to me that the DS does something stupid if it's changing sound more than reducing static. The only change it should make is to reduce the tiny pops from crap on the vinyl or arcing from static. Anything beyond that has to be something like it spewing RF everywhere or dumping garbage back onto the AC... Simple physics.

I can't argue the DS makes more physical sense. It's much more appropriate for most people's stands etc.

 

[CKKeung]

This screams to me that the DS does something stupid if it's changing sound more than reducing static. The only change it should make is to reduce the tiny pops from crap on the vinyl or arcing from static. Anything beyond that has to be something like it spewing RF everywhere or dumping garbage back onto the AC... Simple physics.

I can't argue the DS makes more physical sense. It's much more appropriate for most people's stands etc.

DS Audio is selling the Vinyl Ionizer via their dealers network rather than via webshops.

In Hong Kong, customers can go to Avantgarde HK which is the DS Audio official dealer to listen to/experience the effect on a LP system.
Whether it has only anti-static effect or other sonic improvement effect is to be determined by the customers themselves.

 

[Tango]

This screams to me that the DS does something stupid if it's changing sound more than reducing static. The only change it should make is to reduce the tiny pops from crap on the vinyl or arcing from static. Anything beyond that has to be something like it spewing RF everywhere or dumping garbage back onto the AC... Simple physics.

I can't argue the DS makes more physical sense. It's much more appropriate for most people's stands etc.

I have a figurine of my King Rama 9 hanging to do away not only static but all audio karma making only beautiful sound in my room. MikeL and all the big guns cannot possibly compete with me because I don't use physic. I am Thai. We beat physic with supernatural power.



Tang

 

[Mike Lavigne]

This screams to me that the DS does something stupid if it's changing sound more than reducing static. The only change it should make is to reduce the tiny pops from crap on the vinyl or arcing from static. Anything beyond that has to be something like it spewing RF everywhere or dumping garbage back onto the AC... Simple physics.

I can't argue the DS makes more physical sense. It's much more appropriate for most people's stands etc.

what is stupid, is saying that changing the sound is stupid without even trying it.

do you have any experience with demagnetizing CD's? or Lps? or any experience with the Furutech NCF products?

if you drive over to my home i can pull out my hair dryer/tourmaline screen thingies and easily show you the very obvious effects which are completely positive; clear veils lifted.

these devices are not just to eliminate static, they also promote better media surface reading both digital/optical and mechanical with a pressing/stylus.

back 10 years ago when a friend and i were playing around with these tourmaline 'guns' i asked my Phd in Physics son-in-law if he had any idea how this worked. he was then doing his post doc work at University of Chicago. he said he had seen tourmaline blowers used on len's of testing instruments to reduce the error rates in measurements. it was not about static, but about keeping dust particles from adhering to the lens.....i.e. magnetism. it eliminated the dust build up on the lens surface. as soon as you turned off the tourmaline guns the nano sized dust particles would return and the data was less accurate.

but i'm sure they were 'stupid' to do that.

which is logically why the vividness is improved and noise floor is lowered.

i'm here any time you want to listen.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

I have a figurine of my King Rama 9 hanging to do away not only static but all audio karma making only beautiful sound in my room. MikeL and all the big guns cannot possibly compete with me because I don't use physic. I am Thai. We beat physic with supernatural power. Tang

i'm sure that in Thialand that there are times when King Rama's good graces are more valuable than less static or dust on your vinyl.

smart man, Master Tang.

btw; my son is there in Bangkok right now today, heading to the mountains tomorrow i think. i told him if he gets in trouble to let me know and he may have a friend to call on.

likely no worries, he is a good (42 year old) kid. OTOH if you need help with any digital audio or networking he is able.

 

[Folsom]

Mike, I have a laboratory de-ionizer that I use on my LP's all the time. I love it, but it just keeps the LP's cleaner.

If your LP is one with barium as the heat stabalizer then demagnetizing makes sense, because it's highly magnetic. I'm not sure what the percentage is, but the rest have nothing magnetic in them - which explains why some say results vary LP to LP. The DS or any other de-ionizer don't affect magnetics, you need something different for that.

 

[howiebrou]

what is stupid, is saying that changing the sound is stupid without even trying it.

do you have any experience with demagnetizing CD's? or Lps? or any experience with the Furutech NCF products?

if you drive over to my home i can pull out my hair dryer/tourmaline screen thingies and easily show you the very obvious effects which are completely positive; clear veils lifted.

these devices are not just to eliminate static, they also promote better media surface reading both digital/optical and mechanical with a pressing/stylus.

back 10 years ago when a friend and i were playing around with these tourmaline 'guns' i asked my Phd in Physics son-in-law if he had any idea how this worked. he was then doing his post doc work at University of Chicago. he said he had seen tourmaline blowers used on len's of testing instruments to reduce the error rates in measurements. it was not about static, but about keeping dust particles from adhering to the lens.....i.e. magnetism. it eliminated the dust build up on the lens surface. as soon as you turned off the tourmaline guns the nano sized dust particles would return and the data was less accurate.

but i'm sure they were 'stupid' to do that.

which is logically why the vividness is improved and noise floor is lowered.

i'm here any time you want to listen.

May be we should have giant versions firing onto our hi fi 24/7. Then i would never have to dust again!

 

[Folsom]

It doesn't teleport dust to another location, it just makes it not sticky.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

It doesn't teleport dust to another location, it just makes it not sticky.

well......yes.....and it.......c h a n g e s..........the sound.

for the better since there is less dust affecting the stylus/groove or optical reading.

and it's not stupid.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

May be we should have giant versions firing onto our hi fi 24/7. Then i would never have to dust again!

the problem is heat. giant versions would get very hot. so one needs to either use this where there is already heat (A/C lines) or add some heat to release the negative ions.

there is likely other methods of creating the negative ions i don't know about.

 

[kodomo]

I like this product but I need to play with lid closed because of my pet friends surprise moves and hairs. Even if I did play with lid open, I guess it still would not reach the platter of my stabi M effectively... Any recommendations for a stabi M user

 

[howiebrou]

I like this product but I need to play with lid closed because of my pet friends surprise moves and hairs. Even if I did play with lid open, I guess it still would not reach the platter of my stabi M effectively... Any recommendations for a stabi M user

Get a custom lid with a built in raised part for the deionizer?

 

[XV-1]

So if you don't really suffer from static issues with your vinyl playback, is this must have still necessary?

 

[howiebrou]

So if you don't really suffer from static issues with your vinyl playback, is this must have still necessary?

Honestly I don’t know how much static is in my system but on a well set up dealer’s TT it made a significant difference. I guess if you can demo it at home that would be better?

 

[ack]

I haven't purchased anything yet.
The answer is like , record cleaners, equipment stands, wires or anything else in audio. You either want a packaged product from a trusted manufacturer or you are willing to experiment and accept your own results.

It sounds like the video you posted does not convince you that the cheap device shown is really as effective as you'd desire. It also sounds like you trust brand names. Fair?

 

[christoph]

Maybe I am half deaf. I do not think I hear any difference. But it certainly works. HK is very dry now. I suffer a lot from static. It reduces static to almost zero. Very happy with the result.

Maybe a simple humidifier would also do the trick.
Not only for your vinyl but also good for yourself

 

[christoph]

Hello adyc,
I keep on slobbering when looking at this AS2000 photo!

Enough slobbering could also help against dry air

 

[Kcin]

It sounds like the video you posted does not convince you that the cheap device shown is really as effective as you'd desire. It also sounds like you trust brand names. Fair?

It sounds like you are making a lot of presumptions.

I've got the unit on trial- I posted the video to share the principle of operation and I like brand names mostly for my soda and toothpaste.

Cheers.

 

[Steve Williams]

Maybe I am half deaf. I do not think I hear any difference. But it certainly works. HK is very dry now. I suffer a lot from static. It reduces static to almost zero. Very happy with the result.

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Im lost Anthony. You hear no difference but yet you say "it works"

Can you elucidate