Size isn't everything!There are several where I live. I think it is only so so
The battery range is half that of Tesla
For what it's Worth-Tesla
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I'm skipping to the end of this thread, but there's probably an unspoken element to acknowledge about electric/battery cars. The heavier your foot, the shorter your range. A service person got to my house before our agreed on time, so I pushed hard on the "gas" [to arrive early] and started getting notes, "drive 55mph to reach your destination" (with the battery charge), then "drive 50mph" till I got the connection between speed and battery storage. Maybe the Taycan is the car you drive fast to the grocery store and back, but not for any side trips!
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Still $10k more than a Model S long-range, with half the range and slower as well, although that $10k difference might disappear with tax and other credits
the tax credits in California are all but gone. IIRC the tax credit now is only $1500. When started they were as high as $7500
No tax credits on Tesla (which is probably why all models have had such significant price drops), which was the point of my comment on tax credits. The VW group has sold very few electric vehicles in the US. I confess I am not up on all the tax ramifications in the different states, but it appears that Porsche will qualify for a $7500 Federal Tax Credit at least, in addition to possible state credits.
The tax credit regime will be extended this year with the new administration. The fact that Tesla will have an operating factory this year in Texas will help get votes that the bill otherwise might not get. As for range, the warnings only come into play when the car determines that you won’t have the power to get to your intended destination with how you are driving. That is what the ever expanding supercharger network is for. As for the Taycan, nice car but too uncomfortable for me to sit in. Not my thing.
I just ordered a Model X after sitting on the sideline for years watching the electric car game evolve. I like the Taycan from afar, but I've daily driven an SUV (except in summer) for 15 years or so. I know the X looks kinda like an egg ....
BTW Car and Driver only found a 10 mile real-world range difference between the Taycan Turbo S and the Tesla Model S:
"More surprisingly, the Porsche held its own in our 75-mph range test. While the EPA says there's a 134-mile difference in the range between the two, extrapolating from our 100-mile run, the real-world difference amounts to 10 miles in the Tesla's favor."
Porsche Taycan vs. Tesla Model S: The Test
After eight uncontested years, Tesla's Model S finally has a rival in the 2020 Porsche Taycan.
www.caranddriver.com
Definitely present for the tax year 2020 for all manufacturers except Tesla and (for a reason unknown to me) GM.
I got both a state and federal tax credit ($2500 + $7500) back in 2013 when I bought my Tesla Model S (one of the first 5000 produced). The federal rule was the that their tax credit was phased out when the brand sold 200,000 BEV cars. Only Tesla and Chevy have exceeded the 200,000 number. Since Porsche is a low volume brand, it will take a long time to hit 200,000 BEV cars in the US. Will be interesting to see the Biden proposal for extending/expanding tax credits. Certainly Tesla has continued to do very well after their credits expired and they have a $7500 competitive disadvantage to all but Chevy in the US, and Chevy has yet to release a new model after the Bolt (they discontinued the hybrid Volt).
I think the competition between or among BEV cars is not the proper comparison. It is between BEV cars and ICE cars. I am guessing that Porsche Taycan buyers are deciding between the comparable Porsche ICE models and the Taycan, not between the Taycan and Tesla. They like or love their Porsches, but also want a BEV. So instead of buying another Porsche ICE car, they buy a Taycan. I read that comparable Porsche ICE car sales have decreased while Taycan sales have jumped.
The ICE manufacturers have the big issue of stranded assets (like plants that make engines) and supply chains as they try to move BEV production. Also many dealers make a lot of their profits from service and repairs, which are much lower in BEVs.
Larry
I think the competition between or among BEV cars is not the proper comparison. It is between BEV cars and ICE cars. I am guessing that Porsche Taycan buyers are deciding between the comparable Porsche ICE models and the Taycan, not between the Taycan and Tesla. They like or love their Porsches, but also want a BEV. So instead of buying another Porsche ICE car, they buy a Taycan. I read that comparable Porsche ICE car sales have decreased while Taycan sales have jumped.
The ICE manufacturers have the big issue of stranded assets (like plants that make engines) and supply chains as they try to move BEV production. Also many dealers make a lot of their profits from service and repairs, which are much lower in BEVs.
Larry
Steve, it is one year later. Tesla stock just closed at $880.80. Not bad for one year. Oops. forgot it split five for one this summer. Make that $4404 presplit today.
Larry
It will be tough politically to not extend the federal tax credit back to the two US companies who sold over 200,000 cars but keep it in place for non US manufacturers. Therefore, I fully expect that change in any upcoming bill to restore the $7,500 credit for Tesla and GM.
You are overlooking the fact that it will become increasingly difficult to sell ICE cars in the EU and perhaps even in China. All the major European auto companies have committed to have at least 50% of their new vehicle output be electric by 2030. And the US automakers (except for Tesla, Honda and Toyota) are devoted to selling trucks and SUV's and phasing out cars entirely
Agreed. Some states in the US are also starting to ban the sales of new ICE cars after 2030 and even Japan is looking to do the same by the mid '30s.
Larry
