How dumb have music listeners and musicians become?

[fas42]

3. He's listening at very high volume, and judging sound stage by impact and pressure.

4. All of the above.

I think a lot of the same effect could be accomplished in an HT system that has a number of those 'effect' settings, 'hall', 'music', 'club', 'party' type settings...

--Bill

Tsk, tsk. One of the things that a good sound system does is not vary in tonal quality as the volume is varied: a decade ago most sytems were pretty atrocious in this regard; the latest offerings seem to be somewhat better. So impact, as in the punch of a drum, or the sense of the human voice being correct, will be maintained at low, very low volumes.

Will I open an old wound? Yeah ... why not! Tone control fiddling is another of those things that effectively, subjectively disappear or dwindle dramatically in importance when a system is up to speed, a phenomenon that I've noted for myself numerous times ...

Frank

 

[Phelonious Ponk]

OK, let's just slide right past the fact that it's mostly your ears that vary their response with variations in volume, and that this answer is utter nonsense, it's an answer to another question! My God, man. Take your meds.

Tim

 

[FrantzM]

Actually Frank, I would say everyone has you on their "ignore"

Ha! The Beauty of the "Ignore" button .. best feature of any discussion forum!!

 

[Phelonious Ponk]

I actually put a few people on ignore lately, and I find that the urge to open their posts is often irresistable. I never put Frank on ignore, though; the entertainment value is too high. I have him on "don't take seriously."

Tim

 

[bblue]

Tsk, tsk. One of the things that a good sound system does is not vary in tonal quality as the volume is varied: a decade ago most sytems were pretty atrocious in this regard; the latest offerings seem to be somewhat better. So impact, as in the punch of a drum, or the sense of the human voice being correct, will be maintained at low, very low volumes.

Will I open an old wound? Yeah ... why not! Tone control fiddling is another of those things that effectively, subjectively disappear or dwindle dramatically in importance when a system is up to speed, a phenomenon that I've noted for myself numerous times ...

What I find very interesting about your various off-the-wall positions that are in opposition to practically the entire forum, is that you yourself acknowledge that your equipment is mediocre (at best average), but you have been 'tuning' it in various ways to produce the sounds you describe.

But we all know (most of us anyway) that the gear needs to be pretty darned good to present quality recordings in a realistic way. You, on the other hand, are evaluating a supposed high quality sound with various forms of very mediocre source material, thinking that if you can make it sound good (to you) the equipment and your procedures are somehow state of the art.

I congratulate you on (supposedly) making crap recordings sound good to you on your system. But I would also submit that you probably have never heard what is considered to be an excellent high grade system playing high quality source. It's very simple: There can be no comparison.

--Bill

 

[Steve williams]

But I would also submit that you probably have never heard what is considered to be an excellent high grade system playing high quality source. It's very simple: There can be no comparison.

I would submit that this is probably the wisest post in this thread.

Gentlemen have you heard of the "Ignore" button. It's the best way to deal with foolhardiness

 

[Johnny Vinyl]

Hello? Is there there anybody out there? LOL!

 

[Phelonious Ponk]

Good one, John, but I'm still here...

Tim

 

[DaveyF]

I just read this thread....one has to love it, LOL.

Frank, your points remind me of when i used to listen as a kid to my PYE system ( you remember those, they were kind of like your Philips HT system, only a little better, LOL)
At the time, i was very impressed with its sound, so much so that it got me into the LP collecting arena. I thought that this rig was just the "cat's meow", it sounded great to my ears and all my friends thought so too. We were all in our teens and our exposure to audio was shall we say 'LIMITED'. ( never mind high-end audio, which was a term that I don't think existed back then)
Anyhow, my point is that your posts remind me of my childhood, for which i thank you!
Now, let's get back to the present day and perhaps contemplate that there are a few systems out there that will 'wipe the floor' with your 'souped up Philips system'....Just a thought Frank, LOL

 

[Phelonious Ponk]

Davey I don't think Frank imagines that his HTIB is "better," in any objective sense, than a good high-end system. But he believes that when it's running right, which seems to be a very intermittent thing, it has moments when it suddenly breaks through with an unsurpassed realism within its range. And I think he believes that true high-end systems could perform much better if they were only subjected to his tweaks, which he won't quite share with us. We do know that they involves soldering irons and power outlets and something about turning off all the cell phones in the neighborhood, but any specifics that would actually allow us to try these tweaks are evasive. If he would only share. Of course my system is too humble, and integrated, to serve as a test bench for the brilliance that has quietly surfaced here at WBF. But I'm sure if Frank would just give us the specifics, someone would step up, ready to solder their Lamms to a lightning rod and black out the city around them with secret Ninja Audio mojo...

Tim