Introducing Olympus & Olympus I/O - A new perspective on modern music playback

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For those who just started reading up on Olympus, Olympus I/O, and XDMI, please note that all information in this thread has been summarized in a single PDF document that can be downloaded from the Taiko Website.

https://taikoaudio.com/taiko-2020/taiko-audio-downloads

The document is frequently updated.

Scroll down to the 'XDMI, Olympus Music Server, Olympus I/O' section and click 'XDMI, Olympus, Olympus I/O Product Introduction & FAQ' to download the latest version.

Good morning WBF!​


We are introducing the culmination of close to 4 years of research and development. As a bona fide IT/tech nerd with a passion for music, I have always been intrigued by the potential of leveraging the most modern of technologies in order to create a better music playback experience. This, amongst others, led to the creation of our popular, perhaps even revolutionary, Extreme music server 5 years ago, which we have been steadily improving and updating with new technologies throughout its life cycle. Today I feel we can safely claim it's holding its ground against the onslaught of new server releases from other companies, and we are committed to keep improving it for years to come.

We are introducing a new server model called the Olympus. Hierarchically, it positions itself above the Extreme. It does provide quite a different music experience than the Extreme, or any other server I've heard, for that matter. Conventional audiophile descriptions such as sound staging, dynamics, color palette, etc, fall short to describe this difference. It does not sound digital or analog, I would be inclined to describe it as coming closer to the intended (or unintended) performance of the recording engineer.

Committed to keeping the Extreme as current as possible, we are introducing a second product called the Olympus I/O. This is an external upgrade to the Extreme containing a significant part of the Olympus technology, allowing it to come near, though not entirely at, Olympus performance levels. The Olympus I/O can even be added to the Olympus itself to elevate its performance even further, though not as dramatic an uplift as adding it to the Extreme. Consider it the proverbial "cherry on top".
 
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Quick question regarding the RCA XDMI output board: if one is currently using a preamp with only balanced inputs, is there any theoretical advantage to having an RCA cable designed with RCA outputs and balanced inputs (as opposed to just using an RCA to XLR converter at the end)? I realize this isn't a straight-forward question, apparently, because some "balanced inputs" are actually single-ended, I've been told. And I guess the impedance and voltage values of the single-ended outputs come into play. Obviously, I don't understand some of the technical factors involved. But I know some of you do! So, thoughts, please.
Thanks.
XLR uses a positive signal, a negative signal (inverted), and ground. To use a balanced input on a preamp with an unbalanced signal, the negative input pin of the preamp (usually pin 3, but it can be pin 2 on some equipment) needs to be connected to ground (pin 1). This can be done at the source end of the destination end, which, technically does not make a difference. It should also not make a difference whether an adapter connector is used at the source (along with a balanced cable), or at the destination (along with a single-ended cable). Obviously, the adapter connector does introduce a contact transition which in itself will be audible.

However, when using an RCA to XLR cable with the pin connection done at the source end, there are two conductors between the termination, and when done at the destination end, it is more like connecting with a single-ended cable. The properties of the cable that is used will have an influence on this and the audible effect can be different when used one way versus the other. Ultimately, this is a matter of personal preference.

On a related note, we are working on an output stage with Balanced XLR connections. It will be modular, so easy to swap later.
 
Dear customers, dear WBF members,


Dear customers from Hong Kong joining the forum,


I wish your reasons for joining were in better spirits, like sharing your experiences with your Olympus server. Nevertheless, I wish you all a warm welcome here.

Let me start with a recap of what’s been going on to get you up to speed without having to read back the whole thread:

The December 2023 Olympus introduction announcement was met with an overwhelming response, followed by an unprecedented number of orders, not just for us, this would be mayor for virtually any boutique manufacturer, reaching around 150 in just 2 or so weeks! For some context, we have built and shipped around 500 Extreme servers, but spread over a 6 year period. Absolutely incredible and I cannot even begin to express how proud and honoured we all felt and still do.

Of these around 110 ended up being firm orders, the counter is at around 160 right now, but those orders have been placed over the course of 2024, averaging at about 1 a week. We’d have little to no trouble producing 1 Olympus a week, the problem is in the first huge batch of 110. Of these we have now shipped 76 (28 of these with an I/O). We have assigned queue numbers but following those does not give a completely accurate picture, some are double / ordered same time, there are also gaps / unallocated queue numbers of people ending up not committing, etc. Fact is of the initial 110 there are now 34 orders remaining to be fulfilled, which are your, by now, 14-month-old orders.

We have faced, and solved, many issues over the past 14 months producing the Olympus, which have been shared in this forum thread, but 1 remains, being a rate limitation in the anodising / finishing of the Olympus chassis. The company who has been doing our anodising for years did the first few chassis, then refused to continue due to the amount of labour involved. As it turns out, the mechanical size and complexity of the Olympus chassis parts exclude it from automated / robotised finishing. Each part takes 4 hours of (skilled) manual labour to finish, that is 8 hours for an Olympus server, 4 hours for an I/O. Europe being Europe, artisan labour has become a precious, hard to find commodity, let alone in quantity.

Now we did manage to find a company willing to finish the Olympus chassis for us, at an exemplary quality level to boot. The owner of this company is an audiophile, he understands the quality requirements and has been willing to invest the time and energy to work with us. They keep records of every part they finish, the colour is the same, even if you’d switch your aluminium alloy, they can produce the same colour. They are perfect for the job. However, a quick calculation shows a very long time required to get through the backlog. They have 2 skilled labourers (his sons) who can produce this finish quality, but obviously they were already allocated to already existing contracts. They offered to work evenings + Saturdays for the remainder of 2024, with an output of 12 chassis parts a week, 2 people, 4 evenings + Saturdays, being for example 6 servers, or 4 servers and 4 I/Os a week.

Unfortunately, we subsequently ran into the, at the time, unexplainable phenomenon of a high chassis rejection rates, which turned out to be caused by mixing issues / contamination in the raw aluminium blocks. This has been “solved” recently, we’re now at a 15% rejection rate. But in 2024, “only” 180 chassis parts have passed QC and have been shipped in the form of the 76 Olympus servers and 28 I/Os mentioned before.

Although the work-in-overtime deal is over, the anodising company has expanded their facilities over the past few months, ordered and installed additional machinery, and has now offered the same 12 chassis parts (being for example 6 servers, or 4 servers and 4 I/Os a week, and now with a ~15% rejection rate).

Next to this we have found another anodising company and a coating company, both of which look like they can produce the quality we’re after.

As for communication, or lack thereof, we have absolutely been struggling with that. Probably not everybody knows that before the launch of the Olympus, Taiko Audio was largely operated by unpaid volunteers, out of passion. Any profit made was invested in R&D and capabilities, which is probably why it’s said we appear to have been moving faster than some others. @Christiaan Punter was the first (and in 2023 only) (part-time) employee under contract / with a salary. Over time, with a slowly but surely growing customer base, it was already starting to be increasingly difficult to keep up with communication. This however got completely out of control with the Olympus announcement. Leaving us no other choice but to aggressively start hiring people. We now have 11 full time employees on the payroll and have purchased and installed a professional helpdesk/ticketing system. 4.75 of the 11 are currently allocated to customer communication, we are now able to reply e-mail/WhatsApp/text enquiries reasonably fast, and we have now started an e-mail list to provide regular updates to everyone who has ordered an Olympus directly. This staff allocation has to be a temporary measure as our sales do not cover an overhead like that, which is why we are in the process of moving towards supplying exclusively to distributors, outsourcing sales and first line customer support to distributors and their respective dealers.

This has become a somewhat longer post then intended, I hope it clarifies what’s been going on behind the incredible response on the launch of the Olympus and the challenges we’ve had to deal with as a result. We’re fully aware the wait has been excruciating long, I do hope you can muster up a little more patience, I would hate to lose you as a customer.
Hi Emile,

Thanks for your long reply.
However I don't think all the Hong Kong customers are satisfied.

You have given us detailed explanation of the causes of the production delay.
However what the HK customers, and maybe all overseas customers really need is Taiko's plan to clear the backlogs!

Currently Volent Audio, the Taiko dealer in Hong Kong is subjected to tremendous pressure from the HK customers who had placed pre-orders & paid down-payment.
I guess Nenon will soon be in the same situation.

Communication by individual emails is inadequate.
In fact I have not received any such update email up till now, despite I gave my email to Taiko's communication team last Thursday (6th March).

IMO the communication must be fast, regular, open & transparent. It should preferably be directly from you or Edward because we trust only the two of you.
Please consider to update us regularly on WBF instead of sending info to dealers or individual customers.

Many thanks!
 
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In fact I have not received any such update email up till now, despite I gave my email to Taiko's communication team last Thursday (6th March).

It appears the e-mail went to .com in stead of .com.hk , you should receive it now.

Please consider to update us regularly on WBF instead of sending info to dealers or individual customers.

Can Taiko estimate the time to clear the backlog?

@nenon has been working on a framework which predicts the expected ship date of each individual order number with input from @JulienVermeiren. This framework accepts input for the amount of chassis delivered each week which in turn updates the expected shipping dates of all order numbers. ETA this week!
 
It appears the e-mail went to .com in stead of .com.hk , you should receive it now.





@nenon has been working on a framework which predicts the expected ship date of each individual order number with input from @JulienVermeiren. This framework accepts input for the amount of chassis delivered each week which in turn updates the expected shipping dates of all order numbers. ETA this week!

Hey everyone,

Just wanted to give you all a quick update before the weekend rolls in! I think it's only fair to keep you in the loop.

We’ve just received a fresh batch from our new anodiser. I haven’t had the chance to inspect everything fully yet, but so far, it looks like a solid batch. We’ll be shipping out some servers to our dangerous goods specialist on Monday (Silver and Black), and then they'll head out for delivery. The Monday after, we’ll also be shipping at least 5 more, or more depending on how the rest of the batch checks out.

The reason I’m posting now is that I previously mentioned we were testing powder-coated versions of the Olympus model. Well, the first test run has come in, and it’s looking really promising! You can see the photos below. So far, we’ve only been able to test black, as we’re waiting for a specific type of coating to arrive for the silver version. That should be in after the weekend, and we’ll test it right away.

Personally (and I know Emile agrees), we’re really happy with how the test turned out. We actually prefer the coated version!

The best part about switching to powder coating is that it significantly boosts our yield, from about 50% to around 95%. I’d really appreciate your thoughts, especially from those of you waiting for a black Olympus. Let me know what you think based on the pictures (and feel free to share your personal preferences).

I totally understand if some of you prefer the anodised look, but if not, we’re open to moving forward with the coated version to speed up the process. This would shorten the wait for anodised versions since we’d have more options available.

I’m testing out different approaches to streamline things, but I’m not an audiophile (yet—Emile keeps teasing me), so I don’t have all the fine-tuned knowledge of what audiophiles might prefer. As a musician, my setup is a bit of a mix-and-match of what sounds best, with a splash of all the colours that exist. So, your input is super valuable, and with it, I can continue working to get everyone’s Olympus out as quickly as possible.

Right now, we’re able to build about 10–15 units a week (if the yield allows it), and we still have about 94 orders to go. So, my goal is to have everything shipped out within the next 10–15 weeks (I tend to be on the cautious side with these predictions).

I don’t usually check the forum (nothing personal, Steve! I’m just focused on the project at the moment), but I’ll make an effort to read your replies this weekend.

Thanks so much, everyone!

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@JulienVermeiren

Can you post the silver version of powder coated chassis pics? It's been almost a month and we havent received any update...

I ordered the silver Olympus and would very much like to see the result. Did Taiko confirm to go for powder coating for both black and silver versions?

Thanks and look forward to your update soon.
 
Hi Emile,

Thanks for your long reply.
However I don't think all the Hong Kong customers are satisfied.

You have given us detailed explanation of the causes of the production delay.
However what the HK customers, and maybe all overseas customers really need is Taiko's plan to clear the backlogs!

Currently Volent Audio, the Taiko dealer in Hong Kong is subjected to tremendous pressure from the HK customers who had placed pre-orders & paid down-payment.
I guess Nenon will soon be in the same situation.

Communication by individual emails is inadequate.
In fact I have not received any such update email up till now, despite I gave my email to Taiko's communication team last Thursday (6th March).

IMO the communication must be fast, regular, open & transparent. It should preferably be directly from you or Edward because we trust only the two of you.
Please consider to update us regularly on WBF instead of sending info to dealers or individual customers.

Many thanks!
I think it’s reasonable to expect that the Taiko distributors can communicate order status to customers individually or on WBF.

I’m hoping Emile and Edward can spend most of their finite hours on further product development. (such as dac card v2!).
 
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XLR uses a positive signal, a negative signal (inverted), and ground. To use a balanced input on a preamp with an unbalanced signal, the negative input pin of the preamp (usually pin 3, but it can be pin 2 on some equipment) needs to be connected to ground (pin 1). This can be done at the source end of the destination end, which, technically does not make a difference. It should also not make a difference whether an adapter connector is used at the source (along with a balanced cable), or at the destination (along with a single-ended cable). Obviously, the adapter connector does introduce a contact transition which in itself will be audible.

However, when using an RCA to XLR cable with the pin connection done at the source end, there are two conductors between the termination, and when done at the destination end, it is more like connecting with a single-ended cable. The properties of the cable that is used will have an influence on this and the audible effect can be different when used one way versus the other. Ultimately, this is a matter of personal preference.

On a related note, we are working on an output stage with Balanced XLR connections. It will be modular, so easy to swap later.
Christiaan, many thanks for the detailed reply. That's very helpful--and more or less confirms my current understanding and thinking about the issue. Obviously, if that balanced output stage dac had a timeline, it would be helpful--but I KNOW that you can't predict that (especially with everything else going on right now). So I'll just make sure that, if I use an adapter rather than custom cable, that it's pinned 'correctly.'
Thanks again.
 
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Dear Team Taiko, I am one of the 15 in Hong Kong wait list. I would like to know if you have decided on powder coat finishing or the option still open. Given a choice I would prefer anodizing, I don't mind the extra leadtime, afterall I still have my Extreme .
 
Any close-up photos of both the anodized silver/black and powder-coat silver/black for comparison?

More importantly please announce openly the newest backlog-clearing plan ASAP.

Many thanks!
 
Hi, I am one of the 1/15 HK buyer for the Olympus server. I really appreciated the SGM server but when I heard that Taiko got new Olympus server, I immediately order thru local agent VOLENT without a second thought. It has been exciting for a while, however, it is a bit disappointing to wait for such a long time. So I started to check the status from Ben and he suggest me to follow on wtb forum. After I read this few pages reply. What Taiko doing is now is totally NOT in a fair and open manner. I have got a friend he said that he got reply from Ted and company got the chassis for assembly on 29/Jan and 7/Feb for re-confirm, but suddenly disappeared. I also read thru here the threads that another few can be dispatched on 27/Feb , but CANNOT disclose the order numbered. Can you tell us what that shipment's queue number ? and why this few suddenly can jump the queue and take 86 and 87 chassis , if YOU are OUT of chassis. I hope that every order can be treated at a fair and open manner.
 
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Hi, I am one of the 1/15 HK buyer for the Olympus server. I really appreciated the SGM server but when I heard that Taiko got new Olympus server, I immediately order thru local agent VOLENT without a second thought. It has been exciting for a while, however, it is a bit disappointing to wait for such a long time. So I started to check the status from Ben and he suggest me to follow on wtb forum. After I read this few pages reply. What Taiko doing is now is totally NOT in a fair and open manner. I have got a friend he said that he got reply from Ted and company got the chassis for assembly on 29/Jan and 7/Feb for re-confirm, but suddenly disappeared. I also read thru here the threads that another few can be dispatched on 27/Feb , but CANNOT disclose the order numbered. Can you tell us what that shipment's queue number ? and why this few suddenly can jump the queue and take 86 and 87 chassis , if YOU are OUT of chassis. I hope that every order can be treated at a fair and open manner.

Me too, I received confirmation from Ted on the 6th February and after that no new update from Taiko. I was asked to wait for the next 10 days at the end of February by Julien and now 10days has passed. I have contacted my dealer but he can't do anything. He also didn't receive my update from Taiko about my shipment. I also wonder what happened to that batch of 12 # promised on the 29th January.
I agree with you. Taiko should be more transparent about the queue. What I asked for is just a fairness.
 
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Dear Team Taiko, I am one of the 15 in Hong Kong wait list. I would like to know if you have decided on powder coat finishing or the option still open. Given a choice I would prefer anodizing, I don't mind the extra leadtime, afterall I still have my Extreme .

Hi @LR319 ,

I'm going to reply to your question from my own, personal, point of view.

I / we have spend so much time and resources in developing the Olympus that I really wanted the chassis / appearance to reflect all that effort, and not limit the performance of its contents. Of course we could have stayed with the Extreme chassis design, all we have to do to fit the Olympus in the Extreme chassis is increase its height by 3 centimeters. However there are rather substantial benefits in housing everything in a solid machined piece. The structural integrity allows for the "modular" internal approach where several sections are decoupled from each other, both vibrational as electrical. All leakage / ground / return current paths have been modeled, internal wiring included, heat distribution, a truly large effort. This also means we cannot just switch to that Extreme like chassis while retaining similar performance, even though that would be so much easier to produce, and probably very acceptable to part of our customers.

Next to this there's the optical aspect, this type of chassis requires a high quality finish. Compromise the surface finish and everything which is special about it disappears. Brushing for example, used for the vast majority of aluminium chassis finishes as it hides surface irregularities, is cheap, fast, uncritical, but straight out ugly when applied to the Olympus chassis. So we are "stuck" with a manual sanding and bead blasting surface finish and quality anodising.

The only reason to even consider (powder) coating is because of the large order volume which is incompatible with the amount of chassis which can be produced by this method, thus far at least. If it was strictly up to me, we would not offer this at all, and everybody would just have to await their turn, however long that is.

With that said, although all samples we have received from coating companies thus far have been completely unacceptable to me, I have to admit this last supplier has produced a true high-end finish, in actual black (not some kind of dark grey), on an I/O. They now have a whole batch of complete Olympus chassis they have been working on the past weeks, of course they underestimated the amount of work involved, like everybody else, but those should actually arrive today, including some in silver. We will share once they do of course!

This would then be an option, for you to choose, if it becomes viable, which we will know hopefully today, so to answer your question directly, yes you can just wait for anodised.
 
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Any close-up photos of both the anodized silver/black and powder-coat silver/black for comparison?

Coming up as soon as we have them!

More importantly please announce openly the newest backlog-clearing plan ASAP.

We are and have been sharing what we are doing, always have been, which apparently goes unnoticed for some in the bulk of the thread. Hence we are adding e-mail communication, available to everyone who has an Olympus on order.

We do need some understanding of the sheer bulk of communication we are and have been engaged in, it takes almost 5 (!) people, full time, just to answer all incoming e-mails/texts/calls etc, we are actually just starting to catch up in that area. This is not just about status enquiries, which footers or power cords to use, but also about the technical complexities of all the new technology in the Olympus. This is time intensive to explain, so we have also been working on improving the understandability of online information, coming online soon as well.

A very in depth backlog-clearing plan is coming by e-mail to everyone subscribed, including a ship date for each and all order numbers.
 
I think that the key crux of what could be changed in the communication is that when an estimated date for a certain progress has been communicated, that as soon as something happens to make that date likely to be delayed, to say so with a new best guess estimate and if none can be made, say that none can be made atm but at what date a new estimate can be made.

I think this is roughly what Taiko has been trying to do, but for the few misses in communication when a date has been communicated and then that date goes by and nothing happens without explanation and no answer is given when asked about this, it tenfold increases the frustration.
 
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Regarding production of the Olympus; I'm attempting to "roll with the punches'' I sold my Horizon last year thinking the Olympus XDMI was eminent. I lost a nice little chunk of money on that deal. Yes, it's frustrating for all parties. Nothing like stating the obvious. Setting that aspect aside. This is just a general question for those who are using Analog Out and Native XDMI with the Horizon/360. How is functionality? Does restarting the Olympus have to be done often, regarding losing connection with Roon. Or does this only happen once in a while? I'm attempting to get a clear overall understanding if functionality is working problem free. I do understand stoppages occur with continual run time for break in. I'm more interested in 5-6 hour listening sessions...Is everything running smoothly???
 
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