I also use the CAD GC3 on my K50. I have three things plugged into it -- USB, BNC & I2S. This was definitely a nice improvement.
it was good info that the signal ground and chasis ground on the K50 are the same. I may try connecting a spade to one of the chasis screws and see what effect that has.
Just to be clear the post I copied noted the K41 signal and chassis ground are not separated. I am not sure if the K50 is designed the same as the K50. I do know connecting the K50 to the CAD G3 reduces the noise floor and have no issues with other components connected for signal grounding.
Just to be clear the post I copied noted the K41 signal and chassis ground are not separated. I am not sure if the K50 is designed the same as the K50. I do know connecting the K50 to the CAD G3 reduces the noise floor and have no issues with other components connected for signal grounding.
Thank you for trying to help me answer my questions. At this point, I want / need to know how Antipodes handles the ground for signal and chassis. With that, I can make informed decisions on how / if to proceed.
Having Antipodes officially weigh in on this stuff can put them in a tough spot. Grounding is an emerging market with most players providing little information on what’s inside their grounding boxes. I think sometimes when Mark doesn’t respond, it’s because he’d prefer to have Antipodes stay out of it.
The only way I can see them not answering is if how they handle grounding is a proprietary thing. If so, I can respect that but still don’t understand it.
The only way I can see them not answering is if how they handle grounding is a proprietary thing. If so, I can respect that but still don’t understand it.
If Mark plays along and answers, it could be perceived as Antipodes giving a green light to attaching these ground boxes to their servers. He’s responsible for customer support so that opens him up to having to field even more questions about these boxes. Maybe I’m a little oversensitive as I’ve had to carefully weigh my words when speaking to customers over the years, but I would want to sit on the sidelines on this if I was in his position.
As far as how they handle grounding, anyone with a voltmeter can figure out whether the signal ground has continuity with the chassis. This is a valuable skill to have and it’s super-easy to so. But at the end of the day, what does knowing this actually tell you about what you will actually hear? Bupkis. Better to let ones ears decide.
I'm driving myself crazy trying decide if I should change from my S30/S40/S60 combination to the K50 or upgrade my preamp or DAC! This hobby is very difficult, because the only way to make a decision is through listening to a component in one's system and sometimes that's very hard, if not impossible without purchasing the component first.
This hobby is very difficult, because the only way to make a decision is through listening to a component in one's system and sometimes that's very hard, if not impossible without purchasing the component first.
I totally understand your dilemma. My advice is to narrow your search to products you can demo in your home. Or at worst products you can return if they don't fit your needs. For me if a product doesn't fit these criteria I don't consider it.
I'm driving myself crazy trying decide if I should change from my S30/S40/S60 combination to the K50 or upgrade my preamp or DAC! This hobby is very difficult, because the only way to make a decision is through listening to a component in one's system and sometimes that's very hard, if not impossible without purchasing the component first.
Chances are he is like a lot of people, just want to try something else. See what kind of improvement/change different gear will make. Without trying something different one will never know.
Verdant Audio is a dealer for Antipodes Audio, and offers a return period on new purchases to enable a customer to hear the component in his/her system.
Verdant Audio is a dealer for Antipodes Audio, and offers a return period on new purchases to enable a customer to hear the component in his/her system.
I purchased my Antipodes K50 without audition from Scott at Verdant, he was extremely helpful and personally delivered the K50 with a loaner power cord to try. It was an excellent customer experience. I also purchased my Aqua Formula xHD Dac without audition from the Music Room, they have a 60 day return policy. For an internet dealer there was good communication and responsiveness. I am very satisfied with both components. These were the first times I purchased a major component without demo.
I'm driving myself crazy trying decide if I should change from my S30/S40/S60 combination to the K50 or upgrade my preamp or DAC! This hobby is very difficult, because the only way to make a decision is through listening to a component in one's system and sometimes that's very hard, if not impossible without purchasing the component first.
Ok. I looked at your equipment list. You might try the Chord M Scaler since you own a Dave DAC. I was pretty impressed with what I heard at AXPONA with the M Scaler demo.
I purchased my Antipodes K50 without audition from Scott at Verdant, he was extremely helpful and personally delivered the K50 with a loaner power cord to try. It was an excellent customer experience. I also purchased my Aqua Formula xHD Dac without audition from the Music Room, they have a 60 day return policy. For an internet dealer there was good communication and responsiveness. I am very satisfied with both components. These were the first times I purchased a major component without demo.
I purchased a K50 from Scott as well. Excellent customer service.
My experience with the K50 wasn't good (persistent SSD and USB drive recognition issues), so I returned it for credit which I applied to a Rockna Wavedream NET.
For me it isn't that I'm unhappy, but more about me being curious of what the next level sounds like and if I'm willing to spend the money for it. Is there a significant enough of an improvement/difference to justify spending over $10K to change from my S30/S40/S60 to the K50 or changing my DAC or preamp? I don't know, what I don't know, but I do believe there's a next level for me.
Ok. I looked at your equipment list. You might try the Chord M Scaler since you own a Dave DAC. I was pretty impressed with what I heard at AXPONA with the M Scaler demo.
I tried the M Scaler in my system. I prefer the Dave without the M Scaler. In my system/room the M Scaler made the music sound artificial/processed. It's difficult to articulate exactly what I heard, but I know I didn't like it.
Ok. I looked at your equipment list. You might try the Chord M Scaler since you own a Dave DAC. I was pretty impressed with what I heard at AXPONA with the M Scaler demo.
A server upgrade will get him more than the M-Scaler in my opinion. I think he should upgrade the DAVE's power supply. He hasn't yet come close to hearing what the DAVE can do.
Chances are he is like a lot of people, just want to try something else. See what kind of improvement/change different gear will make. Without trying something different one will never know.
bryans,
Exactly! I always say, I don't know, what I don't know and the only way to know is through listening and making a value judgement on if the change justifies the financial expenditure.
A server upgrade will get him more than the M-Scaler in my opinion. I think he should upgrade the DAVE's power supply. He hasn't yet come close to hearing what the DAVE can do.
We have talked privately about improving the Dave's power supply. I don't want to change it myself. I would be more open to the idea if I could send it out and have it done for $5K or so, but not $7-10K.
We have talked privately about improving the Dave's power supply. I don't want to change it myself. I would be more open to the idea if I could send it out and have it done for $5K or so, but not $7-10K.
I purchased a K50 from Scott as well. Excellent customer service.
My experience with the K50 wasn't good (persistent SSD and USB drive recognition issues), so I returned it for credit which I applied to a Rockna Wavedream NET.
Scott is one of the best audio dealers in the business, hands down. Verdant Audio experiences have been stellar for me in all ways—service, communication, etc. Scott loves audio and is extremely helpful. My system wouldn’t be at the place it is if he hadn’t helped me so much!
Of course, not affiliated in any way; just a very happy customer.