Is Audiophilia a Dying Hobby or Just in Need of a Tune-Up?

I’m really trying to be both thoughtful and clear here and I don’t want to waste your time, so please accept my apologies if I fail in any of those areas…

As I move through life, I follow a path along a fairly linear tapestry of mostly consistent muted colors and textures. But there are often brilliantly-colored or otherwise-intriguing occasions that cause me to either hurry past and avoid, or slow down and linger, exploring and spending time to enjoy, learn, and appreciate.

When I was younger, there was so much of that tapestry ahead of me that I was constantly choosing between investigating every bright stitch or simply charging ahead to see what’s yet to be discovered. It was exciting, and I had the energy to thrive on that excitement. Of course, I also missed a lot of opportunities.

Of course, it’s not just age but also opportunity and personal characteristics that determine whether we quickly pass by experiences or linger among them. And I think that helps explain why some people are audiophiles and some aren’t.

I’m sure that there are many people who don’t “hear much difference between an audiophile rig and their car stereo,” but I really don’t believe that most can’t if they are willing to linger. That “willingness,” of course, requires that they actually have the opportunity to hear really good sound and also that they perceive sufficient potential benefit in investing their time and resources. For me, high-end music reproduction often provides an altered state of reality in which my hearing and my mind almost feel like they have super powers, and I’m exhilarated by the experience (which helps explain why it usually happens in a solitary setting).

I’m confident that life used to be simpler. Most of us were very clear about what was good, bad, achievable, out-of-reach, and the roles that we were expected to play in society. Life was mostly a series of multiple-choice questions, with all the good and the bad inherent in that format. Today, not only are we engaged in a very complex essay question, but we keep getting texts and input that change the variables every few minutes. Thus, the most important skill I learned while raising my daughters was how to gently reveal possible paths and consequences to them without simply pushing them down corridors.

So…”audiophilia.” My take is that there can be great joy and fulfilment in deeply exploring the creation and re-creation of recorded music, together with enjoyable engagement in discovering techniques and technologies for doing so. However, I think that the “tapestry” being navigated by post-boomer generations is not as narrow and linear as the 20-inch high by 230-feet long Bayeaux tapestry I’ve lived through. That means that more recent generations are far more likely to either entirely miss or to simply pass by some of those gorgeous wormholes that I have loved so much.

The future of audiophilia depends on innovators’ ability to draw prospective customers from a distance while they are also moving at 100 miles an hour. I think that likely requires revolution, not just evolution.
 
Of course it is but the history is what it is. There was an explosion of music in the 60 and 70's unlike anything in human history. The Beatles absolutely changed the world. This is very different Wil than loving Gregorian chants. The sales of music went through the roof as well as people listening to more and more music.Classical and Jazz etc.don't move the needle like that no matter how much some like it. These groupssold MILLIONS of albums, got huge mainsteam coverage on TV , Film and Press. This was a very big deal.
I’m not talking about the music business. Just music. It’s a very big world! We are very fortunate that so much of it is available to listen to through recordings.
 
I’m not talking about the music business. Just music. It’s a very big world! We are very fortunate that so much of it is available to listen to through recordings.
of course we are thats why most of us have a system/ I love the fact that I can listen to anything and sit on my ass while doing it. I love streaming because of this that one can find almost anything with very little effort. This should make more people want a system but So far I don't think it has.
 
I'm more optimistic. In the video, Tam was really talking about the sonic impact plus the emotional beauty of the music. I think that experience is very much possible.
Can you re post that video, thanks!
 
Members, here is the best article I have seen on the subject under discussion.

Thanks for pointing out this website - I wasn’t aware Future Audiophile was on a mission to bring new blood into the hobby. However, I’d say the article (and a few others on his site) are really just a guy (re) telling a bunch of stories he’s collected over his many years in audio. Not really “think” pieces. Entertaining for sure, but I see his main value in providing a “village commons” for discussing issues. Some comments on the article are quite insightful. He could also use an editor…

One thing I can’t reconcile is this hobby tends to be quite “techie”, which means it should hold appeal for many more young people than in the past, given they are digital natives and comfortable navigating new tech. I really like the idea of enhancing the gaming experience with “audiophile” gear. I read an amusing anecdote a while back that Elon Musk wanted a complete surround system comprised of Focal Grand Utopias for his gaming. If you could get gamers to take off the headphones and replace them with a few good speakers that would be a positive step.

I also think wireless systems with active speakers are far more attractive to the next generation than wired setups. I have a pair of white KEF LS50 Wireless and a matching white gloss SVS microsub in our living room for background music. You’d be surprised how much of a conversation starter they are. When I showed them to our (young) interior designer, she said “those actually don’t look too bad.” High praise from someone who barely stomachs in-wall systems.

And then there are the young people I mentioned in another post who are embracing the past by purchasing vintage items and thrifting. I’m most excited by this because buying used records and CDs is the exact same mindset. And we all know the coolest piece of audio gear is the turntable, followed by the CDP.

I think one problem this hobby has is it attracts “all in” personalities, whereas the young people I know have a variety of interests, none of which are taken as seriously as being a card carrying audiophile requires. An entry level system would be miles ahead of what they’re currently listening to. But then once they get this, I personally believe the vast majority of converts would be happy to leave well enough alone. Upgradeitis isn’t generally part of their value system.

We are in the death throes of the mega system that takes up a whole room. It will die along with us. There are very, very few Gen Z members who will follow in their parents and grandparents footsteps. Maybe the mega system has 20 or 30 more years of life in it, but it’s ex-growth. Compact, wireless, good-looking stereos, along with vintage turntable/receiver/speakers are our only hopes if we want this hobby to survive long-term. Just as dedicated home theaters with screens and projectors have largely been replaced by flat screens in multi-purpose rooms, so will go the big systems audiophiles love.
 
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I’m really trying to be both thoughtful and clear here and I don’t want to waste your time, so please accept my apologies if I fail in any of those areas…

As I move through life, I follow a path along a fairly linear tapestry of mostly consistent muted colors and textures. But there are often brilliantly-colored or otherwise-intriguing occasions that cause me to either hurry past and avoid, or slow down and linger, exploring and spending time to enjoy, learn, and appreciate.

When I was younger, there was so much of that tapestry ahead of me that I was constantly choosing between investigating every bright stitch or simply charging ahead to see what’s yet to be discovered. It was exciting, and I had the energy to thrive on that excitement. Of course, I also missed a lot of opportunities.

Of course, it’s not just age but also opportunity and personal characteristics that determine whether we quickly pass by experiences or linger among them. And I think that helps explain why some people are audiophiles and some aren’t.

I’m sure that there are many people who don’t “hear much difference between an audiophile rig and their car stereo,” but I really don’t believe that most can’t if they are willing to linger. That “willingness,” of course, requires that they actually have the opportunity to hear really good sound and also that they perceive sufficient potential benefit in investing their time and resources. For me, high-end music reproduction often provides an altered state of reality in which my hearing and my mind almost feel like they have super powers, and I’m exhilarated by the experience (which helps explain why it usually happens in a solitary setting).

I’m confident that life used to be simpler. Most of us were very clear about what was good, bad, achievable, out-of-reach, and the roles that we were expected to play in society. Life was mostly a series of multiple-choice questions, with all the good and the bad inherent in that format. Today, not only are we engaged in a very complex essay question, but we keep getting texts and input that change the variables every few minutes. Thus, the most important skill I learned while raising my daughters was how to gently reveal possible paths and consequences to them without simply pushing them down corridors.

So…”audiophilia.” My take is that there can be great joy and fulfilment in deeply exploring the creation and re-creation of recorded music, together with enjoyable engagement in discovering techniques and technologies for doing so. However, I think that the “tapestry” being navigated by post-boomer generations is not as narrow and linear as the 20-inch high by 230-feet long Bayeaux tapestry I’ve lived through. That means that more recent generations are far more likely to either entirely miss or to simply pass by some of those gorgeous wormholes that I have loved so much.

The future of audiophilia depends on innovators’ ability to draw prospective customers from a distance while they are also moving at 100 miles an hour. I think that likely requires revolution, not just evolution.
Audiophilia serves only as a distraction from life for me. (Not necessarily a bad thing)
I seldom experience introspective thoughts when I listen to the big rig and when I do it is mostly from stirred up memories/emotions from when I listened to the same music as a teenager/young adult.
 
I’m really trying to be both thoughtful and clear here and I don’t want to waste your time, so please accept my apologies if I fail in any of those areas…

As I move through life, I follow a path along a fairly linear tapestry of mostly consistent muted colors and textures. But there are often brilliantly-colored or otherwise-intriguing occasions that cause me to either hurry past and avoid, or slow down and linger, exploring and spending time to enjoy, learn, and appreciate.

When I was younger, there was so much of that tapestry ahead of me that I was constantly choosing between investigating every bright stitch or simply charging ahead to see what’s yet to be discovered. It was exciting, and I had the energy to thrive on that excitement. Of course, I also missed a lot of opportunities.

Of course, it’s not just age but also opportunity and personal characteristics that determine whether we quickly pass by experiences or linger among them. And I think that helps explain why some people are audiophiles and some aren’t.

I’m sure that there are many people who don’t “hear much difference between an audiophile rig and their car stereo,” but I really don’t believe that most can’t if they are willing to linger. That “willingness,” of course, requires that they actually have the opportunity to hear really good sound and also that they perceive sufficient potential benefit in investing their time and resources. For me, high-end music reproduction often provides an altered state of reality in which my hearing and my mind almost feel like they have super powers, and I’m exhilarated by the experience (which helps explain why it usually happens in a solitary setting).

I’m confident that life used to be simpler. Most of us were very clear about what was good, bad, achievable, out-of-reach, and the roles that we were expected to play in society. Life was mostly a series of multiple-choice questions, with all the good and the bad inherent in that format. Today, not only are we engaged in a very complex essay question, but we keep getting texts and input that change the variables every few minutes. Thus, the most important skill I learned while raising my daughters was how to gently reveal possible paths and consequences to them without simply pushing them down corridors.

So…”audiophilia.” My take is that there can be great joy and fulfilment in deeply exploring the creation and re-creation of recorded music, together with enjoyable engagement in discovering techniques and technologies for doing so. However, I think that the “tapestry” being navigated by post-boomer generations is not as narrow and linear as the 20-inch high by 230-feet long Bayeaux tapestry I’ve lived through. That means that more recent generations are far more likely to either entirely miss or to simply pass by some of those gorgeous wormholes that I have loved so much.

The future of audiophilia depends on innovators’ ability to draw prospective customers from a distance while they are also moving at 100 miles an hour. I think that likely requires revolution, not just evolution.
Nicely said! Your statement about raising your daughters by gently revealing" possible paths and consequences to them without simply pushing them down corridors" resonates with me.

Today's world is moving at 100 miles an hour and I can understand those that feel that an industry basically supported by a bunch of old rich people can't influence the listening habits of today's youth. Still in hifi we say "everything matters" and in that spirit I say what is the harm in offering the next generation a different alternative to what is becoming the listening norm. A revolution has to start somewhere!
 
Reality is less and less young people are involved with what we love.
I think there are many factors but if they don't love the music
I think this misunderstands the problem. I sure would not want to argue that young people don't love their music as much as WhatsBestForum members love their music. This is just old fogey arrogance and generational condescension.

I am confident that young people love their Taylor Swift and rap and EDM and Dua Lipa and whatever music absolutely as much as we love our music.

then they dont need to gear.
What young people don't love is the "gear."

The problem is not that young people don't love music; the problem is that young people don't feel or have the need to enjoy their music on high end audio components.
 
I’m really trying to be both thoughtful and clear here and I don’t want to waste your time, so please accept my apologies if I fail in any of those areas…

As I move through life, I follow a path along a fairly linear tapestry of mostly consistent muted colors and textures. But there are often brilliantly-colored or otherwise-intriguing occasions that cause me to either hurry past and avoid, or slow down and linger, exploring and spending time to enjoy, learn, and appreciate.

When I was younger, there was so much of that tapestry ahead of me that I was constantly choosing between investigating every bright stitch or simply charging ahead to see what’s yet to be discovered. It was exciting, and I had the energy to thrive on that excitement. Of course, I also missed a lot of opportunities.

Of course, it’s not just age but also opportunity and personal characteristics that determine whether we quickly pass by experiences or linger among them. And I think that helps explain why some people are audiophiles and some aren’t.

I’m sure that there are many people who don’t “hear much difference between an audiophile rig and their car stereo,” but I really don’t believe that most can’t if they are willing to linger. That “willingness,” of course, requires that they actually have the opportunity to hear really good sound and also that they perceive sufficient potential benefit in investing their time and resources. For me, high-end music reproduction often provides an altered state of reality in which my hearing and my mind almost feel like they have super powers, and I’m exhilarated by the experience (which helps explain why it usually happens in a solitary setting).

I’m confident that life used to be simpler. Most of us were very clear about what was good, bad, achievable, out-of-reach, and the roles that we were expected to play in society. Life was mostly a series of multiple-choice questions, with all the good and the bad inherent in that format. Today, not only are we engaged in a very complex essay question, but we keep getting texts and input that change the variables every few minutes. Thus, the most important skill I learned while raising my daughters was how to gently reveal possible paths and consequences to them without simply pushing them down corridors.

So…”audiophilia.” My take is that there can be great joy and fulfilment in deeply exploring the creation and re-creation of recorded music, together with enjoyable engagement in discovering techniques and technologies for doing so. However, I think that the “tapestry” being navigated by post-boomer generations is not as narrow and linear as the 20-inch high by 230-feet long Bayeaux tapestry I’ve lived through. That means that more recent generations are far more likely to either entirely miss or to simply pass by some of those gorgeous wormholes that I have loved so much.

The future of audiophilia depends on innovators’ ability to draw prospective customers from a distance while they are also moving at 100 miles an hour. I think that likely requires revolution, not just evolution.
Please pardon my ignorance (I don’t read every entry) but did you work with the Bayeaux tapestry (restoration/cleaning, photographing for the Fabrique de patrimoines en Normandie or working for the DRAC)? Or are you using it as flowery prose to mark your place in time? Otherwise, very much liked your comments.
 
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I think this misunderstands the problem. I sure would not want to argue that young people don't love their music as much as WhatsBestForum members love their music. This is just old fogey arrogance and generational condescension.

I am confident that young people love their Taylor Swift and rap and EDM and Dua Lipa and whatever music absolutely as much as we love our music.


What young people don't love is the "gear."

The problem is not that young people don't love music; the problem is that young people don't feel or have the need to enjoy their music on high end audio components.
you are taking my statements out of context. I did not say that young people don't like or love music.
 
I think this misunderstands the problem. I sure would not want to argue that young people don't love their music as much as WhatsBestForum members love their music. This is just old fogey arrogance and generational condescension.

I am confident that young people love their Taylor Swift and rap and EDM and Dua Lipa and whatever music absolutely as much as we love our music.


What young people don't love is the "gear."

The problem is not that young people don't love music; the problem is that young people don't feel or have the need to enjoy their music on high end audio components.
So we get Taylor Swift and Cardi B etc. but these artists don't make people want to buy better Hi Fi in my experience.
That was my quote and I stand by it. Don't CNN me LOL
 
In that case they’re also deaf.

My 86 years old non-audiophile father can tell the difference. Actually he said he didn’t like the sound when I switched to Devore O/96s from a modified old speaker and later again when I switched to 10” Cube Audio Nenuphars. He was right unfortunately.

Why is it so hard to accept the idea that many people will find satisfaction with a very simple setup (even a car stereo), even after they have heard high-end systems? Can they tell the difference? Most probably. It's just that the differences they hear are not essential, as they can be for us.
 
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I think this misunderstands the problem. I sure would not want to argue that young people don't love their music as much as WhatsBestForum members love their music. This is just old fogey arrogance and generational condescension.

I am confident that young people love their Taylor Swift and rap and EDM and Dua Lipa and whatever music absolutely as much as we love our music.


What young people don't love is the "gear."

The problem is not that young people don't love music; the problem is that young people don't feel or have the need to enjoy their music on high end audio components.
How does one gauge "love" as a comparative? That would be a fools errand.

I am convinced that there is an important difference between generations, though. What I certainly observe from the youngsters around me is that they do not devote anything close to the amount of listening time to music that I and my cohort did at a comparable age 50 years ago. There just are so many other things successfully competing for their attention. The enjoyment of reproduced music isn't as central.
 
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I think this misunderstands the problem. I sure would not want to argue that young people don't love their music as much as WhatsBestForum members love their music. This is just old fogey arrogance and generational condescension.

I am confident that young people love their Taylor Swift and rap and EDM and Dua Lipa and whatever music absolutely as much as we love our music.


What young people don't love is the "gear."

The problem is not that young people don't love music; the problem is that young people don't feel or have the need to enjoy their music on high end audio components.

Ron, do you think young people think about the listening experience they’re having with their music? Do you think it matters to them or are they satisfied with what they’ve got?
 
I am very interested and do feel Anyone’s system is pale to compare jjst a single instrument in front of us.
and percussive energy is very low in an audio system
years ago I was driving my pickup in nyc and a marching band was playing on the sidewalk.
30 feet away
My truck was shaking from the large drum.
I know the buildings helped but clearly no system I’ve heard could do this.
At one time I was a dj in some large clubs
Racks of amps
building would shake outside
but this was 30k or more just on huge subs all over

There are three main reasons behind this. The first one is that all commercial recordings have intentionally compressed dynamic range. To put it plainly; The difference between the loudest and the softest parts are less than in real life. If they didn't do that, when you listened at normal / moderate listening levels, the softest parts of the music would be inaudible. So the full dynamic range of the large drum in a marching band simply isn't on the recording.

The second part is that you / we typically don't play loud enough. Real life drums (and many other instruments) are LOUD. We simply don't play that loud at home, and consequently don't get the same experience of physical impact.

The third part (somewhat connected to the second), is that most audio systems don't have the dynamic capacity and dynamic range to faithfully reproduce live instruments at full blast.
 
Ron, do you think young people think about the listening experience they’re having with their music? Do you think it matters to them or are they satisfied with what they’ve got?
Or … they love those wicked cool retro turntables, just couldn’t afford the supporting kit.
 
The problem is not that young people don't love music; the problem is that young people don't feel or have the need to enjoy their music on high end audio components.
Agreed, but you can cross out "young". What is the proportion of "audiophiles" within the overall population? I would bet less than 1%

What are the total number of speakers sold annually that are considered "audiophile"? 100.000 units? 1.000.000 units?

According to this site there were over 300.000
000 stereo speakers sold in 2019 and 362.000.000 smart speakers.

 
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So we get Taylor Swift and Cardi B etc. but these artists don't make people want to buy better Hi Fi in my experience.
That was my quote and I stand by it. Don't CNN me LOL

What was the qualities in the older music that made people want to buy better Hi Fi?
 
I think this misunderstands the problem. I sure would not want to argue that young people don't love their music as much as WhatsBestForum members love their music. This is just old fogey arrogance and generational condescension.

I am confident that young people love their Taylor Swift and rap and EDM and Dua Lipa and whatever music absolutely as much as we love our music.


What young people don't love is the "gear."

The problem is not that young people don't love music; the problem is that young people don't feel or have the need to enjoy their music on high end audio components.
Agreed, so what's the problem Ron?
 
If we want our industry to continue I believe we need to take an optimistic approach (while realizing our shortcomings). Why did all of us become interested in great audio gear in the first place? The answer is that at some point we experienced a piece of music played on an amazing (to us at the time) system and the "light bulb" went off in our heads! The experience stayed with us and our love of audio was born (for those of us who are even more passionate about music). Other humans can have the same experience and not be moved by it. They will never be consumers of high performance audio. It's human nature. And I believe basic human nature hasn't changed that much.

The challenge is the same as it was decades ago. We're looking for those people who will have those "light bulb" moments (and certainly people with compatible income). I don't know what percentage of society that is, but it's not the masses. Our methods of connecting with those people 3-5 decades ago was different. We just need better methods that work in today's world. This is what I (and I expect many of us) am searching for. There has to be a way. We just haven't figured out the best methods yet. I would love for this thread to become a think tank for all of us (and thank you for your thoughts thus far)!
 

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