Is Audiophilia a Dying Hobby or Just in Need of a Tune-Up?

Audiophilia is facing a crisis. With most enthusiasts over 55 and younger generations uninterested in high-end audio, the hobby risks fading into obscurity. Blame it on space, budget constraints, or the elitist image of the community—something needs to change.

40% of Audiophiles May Be Gone Soon, and No One Is Replacing Them

Can we make audiophilia relevant and inviting for the next generation, or is this truly the end of an era?grave.jpg
 
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...I saw the "tapestry" below in a gallery a few weeks ago in the Galapagos. It immediately grabbed me with it's beauty. Sweetie and I looked at it closely. From afar. And in five minutes, I said: Sweetie, we should really get that for home.

She is a scientist, and analyzed the detailed weaving and stitch-work. She asked about the artist. About what it means. About the price. If that was the best price.

Of course, I wanted a price, but I wanted the piece even more. The shipment arrived yesterday. I think it's amazing. Others of you may not. C'est la vie. I'm gonna look at it every day for as long as I have left. Like listening to my hifi.


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...I saw the "tapestry" below in a gallery a few weeks ago in the Galapagos. It immediately grabbed me with it's beauty. Sweetie and I looked at it closely. From afar. And in five minutes, I said: Sweetie, we should really get that for home.

She is a scientist, and analyzed the detailed weaving and stitch-work. She asked about the artist. About what it means. About the price. If that was the best price.

Of course, I wanted a price, but I wanted the piece even more. The shipment arrived yesterday. I think it's amazing. Others of you may not. C'est la vie. I'm gonna look at it every day for as long as I have left. Like listening to my hifi.


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That’s an awesome experience.
 
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That’s the key. Growing up my Dad worked in a factory. He saw everything in how many hours he had to work for it. We had to eat everything on our plates because he had to work x number of hours to pay for that food. When he had to buy us new shoes he reminded us of how many hours he had to work for them. His way of making sure we appreciated them and cared for them. That had an impact on me in my early adult life. Once I became an Engineering Manager earning and investing made that calculation irrelevant. Working for dollars per hour is additive while salary, bonus and investing become multiplicative. Therefore, desire and value become different calculations. One person can enjoy a great steak and savor the moment eating it while another person cannot get past the cost of that great steak and settles for something from Ponderosa. Teenagers are willing to spend a small fortune for a night at a Taylor Swift concert. In 1983 we saw Michael Jackson in concert at the Gator Bowl. The ticket prices were very high but my wife didn’t care about the cost. The experience was worth everything to her. It was a great show but all I thought about at first was how many record albums I could have bought. I love watching movies and the movie theater experience. But the cost today to see a movie at the theater has exceeded my value limit. Sure, I can afford it but my willingness to pay it is a different matter. I’ll wait a few months to stream it these days. Now, if a Star Wars movie similar to the ones in the old days came out- that’s a different matter.

Art is amazing to me- how or why are people willing to spend thousands to millions on a piece of canvas, paint and frame? I appreciate art but how is that value? Same could be said for Audio. Some see an amplifier as a box with transistors, capacitors and wires with a bill of materials that costs x amount. What they don’t see- or hear is what that box of parts can do for music. They don’t get what that box of parts can do to our soul in recreating music. Some get caught up in how close does the music sound to the real thing? How close does a painting look to the real thing? Yes, I have often looked at a painting and thought, a photograph would look a lot better. Did I miss the point?. Absolutely. And I know that. Do some people miss the point about audio? Absolutely. The reproduced music will never exactly sound like the real thing. It just has to stir me, transport me away, and move me. Who wouldn’t give away their kingdom for that? Some are willing to for just a hit of powerful opiates. Some for a Rembrandt.

People value things differently. For some, the gold coin is the goal. They work for it, earn it and once they obtain that gold coin they do not ever want to let go of it. For others that gold coin is a means to an end- be it for selfish reasons, power, altruistic or simply to eat and live better.

Audio is much more than a collection of boxes full of parts that costs xx amount. It is a form of art that causes us to respond viscerally and emotionally. And don’t forget that audio is a means- the artists- ie the musicians, producers and engineers are all part of the chain to produce music that we enjoy and want to hear. Our interpretation of that music through our self designed and built systems is a very personal thing. So of course people get defensive very quickly when someone claims our interpretation is wrong.

Today I have a stereo system that amazes me every time I hear it. It cost many time more than my first house that I bought in 1983. I try not to think about that. From a value standpoint I cannot claim that it is proportionately better than an $800 blue tooth amp. But I can claim that the sound, the music gives me immense satisfaction every time I hear it. A few decades or so ago this system would have cost me everything I had. Can I say that I should have gone for it back then? Absolutely not. Keep things in perspective, appreciate what you have and don’t worry about those who can afford more.

Trickle down works in our favor for us all. The money spent on R&D benefits the most wealthy at first but eventually it benefits us all. Wealthy people can take rides in rocket ships today. Only the wealthy could afford to fly in airplanes a hundred years ago.

The MJ concert was in 1984.

Great friggin post!
 
In the February issue of TAS, the current CEO of Goldmund stated that they gain 'just under 2000 new customers per year'. I found the magnitude of that number to be somewhat alarming provided that their entry-level power amplifier sells for $89,000 US. In the absence of additional details, one can assume that the majority of those new customers reside in Asia as Goldmund is known to have a strong presence in that region. Regardless, perhaps there remains an opportunity for some high-end manufacturers to target the luxury segment rather than the hi-fi segment.
 
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In the February issue of TAS, the current CEO of Goldmund stated that they gain 'just under 2000 new customers per year'. I found the magnitude of that number to be somewhat alarming provided that their entry-level power amplifier sells for $89,000 US. In the absence of additional details, one can assume that the majority of those new customers reside in Asia as Goldmund is known to have a strong presence in that region. Regardless, perhaps there remains an opportunity for some high-end manufacturers to target the luxury segment rather than the hi-fi segment.
I think manufacturers like Dan D'Agostino realised that the luxury market was more lucrative some years ago. I wouldn't describe luxury buyers as Audiophiles though.
 
In what way do you feel the middle market doesn't offer value?
Okay, let’s assume for a moment you can hear reasonably well and can evaluate audio equipment. In this moment you would know properly selected low priced equipment sounds very good. Moment over you are in timeout over plagiarism.
 
wow, 27 pages of this nonsense. i said it before, i will say it again - high end audio has always been, and will always be a fringe hobby. i've been reading doom and gloom pronouncements since the early 1970's. same as it ever was. when the world-wide power grid collapses, that might mean the end of high end audio. maybe - there might still be batteries... ;)

doug s.
 
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wow, 27 pages of this nonsense. i said it before, i will say it again - high end audio has always been, and will always be a fringe hobby. i've been reading doom and gloom pronouncements since the early 1970's. same as it ever was. when the world-wide power grid collapses, that might mean the end of high end audio. maybe - there might still be batteries... ;)

doug s.
when the world-wide power grid collapses, YOU will be the battery. Haven't you seen that multi-part documentary? The machines don't seem to need music and the humans have no time for it in their underground hideouts (or maybe it is the bad acoustical environment).
 
when the world-wide power grid collapses, YOU will be the battery. Haven't you seen that multi-part documentary? The machines don't seem to need music and the humans have no time for it in their underground hideouts (or maybe it is the bad acoustical environment).
i'm not quite that pessimistic! i think there will still be small generating plants - water, wind, solar driven, batteries will still be useful. ;)

doug s.
 
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That’s the key. Growing up my Dad worked in a factory. He saw everything in how many hours he had to work for it. We had to eat everything on our plates because he had to work x number of hours to pay for that food. When he had to buy us new shoes he reminded us of how many hours he had to work for them. His way of making sure we appreciated them and cared for them. That had an impact on me in my early adult life. Once I became an Engineering Manager earning and investing made that calculation irrelevant. Working for dollars per hour is additive while salary, bonus and investing become multiplicative. Therefore, desire and value become different calculations. One person can enjoy a great steak and savor the moment eating it while another person cannot get past the cost of that great steak and settles for something from Ponderosa. Teenagers are willing to spend a small fortune for a night at a Taylor Swift concert. In 1983 we saw Michael Jackson in concert at the Gator Bowl. The ticket prices were very high but my wife didn’t care about the cost. The experience was worth everything to her. It was a great show but all I thought about at first was how many record albums I could have bought. I love watching movies and the movie theater experience. But the cost today to see a movie at the theater has exceeded my value limit. Sure, I can afford it but my willingness to pay it is a different matter. I’ll wait a few months to stream it these days. Now, if a Star Wars movie similar to the ones in the old days came out- that’s a different matter.

Art is amazing to me- how or why are people willing to spend thousands to millions on a piece of canvas, paint and frame? I appreciate art but how is that value? Same could be said for Audio. Some see an amplifier as a box with transistors, capacitors and wires with a bill of materials that costs x amount. What they don’t see- or hear is what that box of parts can do for music. They don’t get what that box of parts can do to our soul in recreating music. Some get caught up in how close does the music sound to the real thing? How close does a painting look to the real thing? Yes, I have often looked at a painting and thought, a photograph would look a lot better. Did I miss the point?. Absolutely. And I know that. Do some people miss the point about audio? Absolutely. The reproduced music will never exactly sound like the real thing. It just has to stir me, transport me away, and move me. Who wouldn’t give away their kingdom for that? Some are willing to for just a hit of powerful opiates. Some for a Rembrandt.

People value things differently. For some, the gold coin is the goal. They work for it, earn it and once they obtain that gold coin they do not ever want to let go of it. For others that gold coin is a means to an end- be it for selfish reasons, power, altruistic or simply to eat and live better.

Audio is much more than a collection of boxes full of parts that costs xx amount. It is a form of art that causes us to respond viscerally and emotionally. And don’t forget that audio is a means- the artists- ie the musicians, producers and engineers are all part of the chain to produce music that we enjoy and want to hear. Our interpretation of that music through our self designed and built systems is a very personal thing. So of course people get defensive very quickly when someone claims our interpretation is wrong.

Today I have a stereo system that amazes me every time I hear it. It cost many time more than my first house that I bought in 1983. I try not to think about that. From a value standpoint I cannot claim that it is proportionately better than an $800 blue tooth amp. But I can claim that the sound, the music gives me immense satisfaction every time I hear it. A few decades or so ago this system would have cost me everything I had. Can I say that I should have gone for it back then? Absolutely not. Keep things in perspective, appreciate what you have and don’t worry about those who can afford more.

Trickle down works in our favor for us all. The money spent on R&D benefits the most wealthy at first but eventually it benefits us all. Wealthy people can take rides in rocket ships today. Only the wealthy could afford to fly in airplanes a hundred years ago.

The MJ concert was in 1984.
Excellent post. Folks should read it carefully. I agree with your sentiment 100%. I enjoy my system the same way you enjoy yours.

Charles

Charles Updated System: Wilson McIntosh Audioquest

Amps: McIntosh: MC3500MKII (2); MC1.25KW (2); MC2.1KW An
Preamp: C-12000 An
Sources: MCD12000 An; MVP881; MVP851; MR87; Marantz 510LV; Lenovo Yoga laptop
Speakers: Wilson Chronosonic XVX
Sub-Woofer: Wilson Thor’s Hammer; Wilson ActivXO Stereo Electronic Crossover
Cables Main System AQ: WEL Signature speaker cables; 24’ balanced IC; balanced 1-meter Dragon IC ; WEL Signature digital, Coffee digital coaxial cables; Diamond optical (2); Diamond USB; Dragon (5 HC, 3 source cords); Thunder & Monsoon power cords
Cables Subwoofer System AQ: Redwood speaker cable; Wolf balanced subwoofer IC; Wind balanced IC to ActivXO; Hurricane HC; Firebird HC; Firebird Source; Dragon HC, power cords
Power Conditioners: AQ Niagara 7000; Niagara 5000 (3); (4) dedicated 20-amp lines.
Isolation: Wilson Pedestals; Bassocontinuo McIntosh Ultra Feet; X-material plinth
Cabinet: Double Custom Woodwork & Design (CWD)
Acoustic Treatments: Room and Echo Tunes
 
Part 2: A retrospective
One of the things about music for me is the memories that a song can invoke in me. I hear or even think about the song, “Carry on my Wayward Sons” by Kansas and I am transported back to the summer of 1977 with my cousins playing that record on my uncle’s hifi. Heart’s, “Crazy on You” reminds me of a moment in college where several of us were jammin’ to that song. I don’t have to hear these songs on my hifi to appreciate them. I can hear them on a car radio or in a movie and it reminds me of those moments- moments with friends or a crowd at a concert where we were all connecting to the music. That’s the common thread- memories of parties, music blaring and memories of concerts but all memories of being with others enjoying the music, the moment. Even just visiting small joints- holes in the wall places with great live music in the 80s- 2000s with friends. Sitting in a small, intimate bar in the 90s watching Maria Muldaur perform is a great memory. Seeing the Doobie Brothers at an outdoor concert in the 90s was like being back in the 70s. Always with friends sharing the experience together. Those were the days. Does that happen today? I wonder.

The music culture in the 70s- (and earlier but I was too young then) seemed to be the heart of our culture at the time. I remember the Fall of 1976. Freshman year in college I could hear Fleetwood Mac Rumors playing on so many stereos walking down the hall of the dorm almost 24/7. Every song was great on that album. Friday nights the local FM radio station would play The Martian Boogey, by Brownsville Station. It’s a blast. If you haven’t heard it- check it out. FM Radio was the main source of music. Hit parade, top 40, were part of our social fabric back then.

I worked as a staff photographer at the State Fair in 1977-78, so I had universal access. Bands like Kansas, Heart, The Rolling Stones, REO Speedwagon, etc played at the State Fair. The cost of concerts back then were either free or a few dollars. I stood on stage watching The Captain and Tennille perform in 1977. Toni Tennille- instant crush. Definitely Muskrat Love. I was a broke college student but I managed to see a lot of concerts. Concerts were not very costly back then. I saw Emerson, Lake and Palmer the summer of 1978- their Works tour with the orchestra. It was a great show. That winter they had shed the orchestra due to costs and I saw their concert again, just the three of them and it was a fantastic show.

Music was plentiful and cheap back then. Music was the center of just about any social engagement. It does not seem like that today to me. People walk around with earbuds or even headphones streaming for a monthly fee. I see young couples on dates each just looking at their phones. I haven’t noticed if both are also wearing earbuds. I know FM Radio still exists but I haven’t listened to it in decades. Is that the last access to free music? How much longer does FM Radio have?

These memories and these experiences are what got me into the hifi hobby and kept me in it. Back in the day everyone had some type of stereo system. Then a smaller group of us would hunt after a better system and an even smaller group of us would work toward an ultimate system. And then we have the people like me that just can’t seem to stop. I think what drove me is that I went from music 24/7 in college to music only when at home after work. And as the available time to spend hearing music got shorter, I worked to make that time with music more intense. I was good with bass and clarity until I heard a pair of Quad ESL speakers. Then I had to have the holographic sound stage, the detail, that amazing mid-range. Can you get all that with ear buds? I haven’t experienced that.

I’m concerned about the future of hifi. The accessibility to music and to gear is so limited these days compared to the past. Subscription fees to SXM, Qobuz and even ROON all add up. And then there is the cost of internet. Gone are the days of almost constant music on the radio and $3 record albums.

PS. When we have people over I play music using my HT system. Very few have seen the hifi. Most wouldn’t care or appreciate what it can do.
 
Btw- I met my wife the year following that Captain and Tennille concert. So she knows about my crush from back then. Thing is almost 50 years later, when I play Muskrat Love by The Captain and Tennille, she won’t admit it but she gets jealous. She prefers only the version by America.
 
I think manufacturers like Dan D'Agostino realised that the luxury market was more lucrative some years ago. I wouldn't describe luxury buyers as Audiophiles though.

I don’t think you can easily make that claim. In my discussions with Wilson and Magico, they tell me that some audiophiles will stretch their budgets to buy their flagships because it’s such a part of their life. The sense I get is that the majority of luxury purchases are still audiophiles focused on sound quality over status.
 
Respectfully, Lee, IMO anybody who even has the ability to “stretch” their budget for a Wilson or Magico flagship is in a whole ‘nother category of audiophilia. I’ll stick my neck out and guess that at that rarefied level the stretch driven to achieve the status is no small factor.
 
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Most of hifi consists of cottage companies providing state of the art components to a small, yet dedicated, group of audiophiles & music lovers. In this respect it is comparable to other hobbies such as golf, skateboarding, amature astronomy, ECT.

Most young people that I see listen to garbage music like gangsta rap/hip hop and they live that sort of reckless lifestyle that sort of music promotes.

I primarily listen to classical music, which represents a very tiny group among the audio communities. The recordings in this genre are among the best ever made in terms of sound quality & musical structure compared to every other category.

Drug & alcohol habits of today are not helping matters either. Hifi companies need to target young people as potential audiophiles of the future and give them something to work with their budgets.

Just a few thoughts and opinions.
 
If you feel audiophilia is dying? Plant a seed. Give them a goal.

A forest will not grow without many seeds. I have planted many. Have you?

Tom
I planted my seed. I created a top hifi product, which is an easy introduction to high-end, at a very decent - low price. For once, I'm satisfied and that's why I'll continue.
 
I own an XVX. I think it's the finest speaker in the world, my own very personal opinion not meant to begin an argument. In my case both Tony and Lee are correct. I have owned over many decades, numerous speakers beginning with a Dalquist DQ10. I have owned a Maxx3, Alexx, and finally my XVX. It will be my final speaker. I always wanted to own what I refer to as a "super speaker". You all call it a flagship, but a manufacturer's "flagship" might not really be a flagship to me, personally. I chose a Thor over a Subsonic because Wilson wouldn't sell me a Master Chronosonic, so they specially made me a Thor of 3rd generation X-material and finished out both ends, then manufactured a special horizontal plinth made of X-material and supported by Acoustic Diodes. My bass with my new An Edition MC2.1KW is bone crushing. My Thor is 6 dB more sensitive and has considerably more output than a mono Subsonic, which is meant for stereo (dual) subwoofer systems. My XVX was one of the first to have the Acoustic Diodes, again specially made by Wilson for my XVX.

Both of you are therefore 100% correct. I always wanted a super speaker, and I have not been disappointed with my Wilson "flagship" system. I have maybe (I don't know) 500K invested in it and it's the best investment I have ever made. I am fully retired and listen to it every day. My XVX pours forth beauty continuously, and you can't put a price on that.

Charles
 
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