Is Audiophilia a Dying Hobby or Just in Need of a Tune-Up?

Audiophilia is facing a crisis. With most enthusiasts over 55 and younger generations uninterested in high-end audio, the hobby risks fading into obscurity. Blame it on space, budget constraints, or the elitist image of the community—something needs to change.

40% of Audiophiles May Be Gone Soon, and No One Is Replacing Them

Can we make audiophilia relevant and inviting for the next generation, or is this truly the end of an era?grave.jpg
 
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I got on airplanes to see Shaky Graves & Dr Dog and The Flatlanders. Drove 500 miles to see Amanda Ann Pratt & Jewell. The last two local concerts I went to were: Old Crow Medicine Show and Molly Tuttle and Golden Highway. They had to cost at least $700 each for the two of us.

Your perspective might be a problem.

Now that I think of it: Last year I traveled from the US to Europe (Strasbourg) just to see two Stockhausen concerts, work Sirius (performances on two consecutive nights). Ticket prices Euro 25 each, total cost of trip about $ 2,500 (ok, that was not just flight, but 5 days there).
 
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"Ticket prices for Taylor Swift are a recent example. Some were paying several thousand dollars for three hours of live entertainment, money that could buy a good used “starter stereo.”"

Totally insane! Horses for courses, of course...:rolleyes:
Honestly no different than someone paying thousands of dollars to go to sporting events. I'm sure the person who spends money on a Taylor Swift concert sees value in that.
 
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I would partly agree with this statement. The major progress in high end audio in the past decade has been streaming, i.e. the ability to transmit large amounts of music digitally over the Internet at high bit rates. That innovation, incidentally, did not come from the high end market, but from a small startup in Sweden named Spotify (to see the beautiful story of how streaming was invented, see the Netflix docudrama The Playlist). A bunch of technical innovations, chiefly the ability to bypass some of the latency in the TCP/IP network protocol that runs the web was necessary to get real-time streaming to work (just as streaming movies required ideas like overlay networks, which a former academic colleague of mine invented in his Princeton PhD thesis -- he went on to co-found Akamai, whose hundreds of thousands of servers runs large parts of the Internet).

If you look at other categories, say speakers, I'd say there's been no innovation at all. The best loudspeakers of the past 60 years -- the Klipschorn, the Quad ESL 63, the Spendor BBC models, the Magneplanars etc. -- are still some of the best loudspeakers today. No real innovation in the science of making loudspeakers that I can see, except putting bigger cones in bigger boxes. Sure, there is innovation in materials used to make cones, like graphene or Alan Shaw's composite polymer RADIAL midrange cones in Harbeth, but that's an incremental innovation in my book.

What would a true innovation in loudspeaker technology look like? It's really simple -- produce a loudspeaker that can resolve all 16 bits recorded on humble CD disc that has been around for 40+ years. We are so so far from being able to hear the full resolution of redbook CD that it's laughable. The best loudspeakers can barely resolve 7-8 bits of information in the bass and treble, and even in the midrange, the resolution is just around 10-11 bits. To get true redbook quality sound from a loudspeaker, distortion has to be around 0.001% from 20 Hz to 20 Khz. Where are we now? Ha! More like 5% THD in the bass, perhaps 0.1% THD in the midrange for the best (read electrostatic or horn) loudspeakers, and worse in the treble. Solve this problem and you have a real breakthrough in high end audio.

What are manufacturers doing instead? Well, selling the same old wine in new bottles mostly. Or chasing after non-existent problems, like fancy media servers or DACs that weigh hundreds of pounds, but whose measured improvement over much cheaper solutions is non-existent. Fancy power chords or USB cables is not where the hard scientific problems in high end audio are. The more you chase after non-existent problems, the longer it will take to make genuine progress.

Since I have a scientific background, having spent most of my life as an academic, in most areas of science, there's a very clear understanding of what the truly hard scientific problems are. In physics, it is understanding the large-scale structure of the universe, how the universe began, and how to reconcile the large-scale force of gravity with the infinitesimal forces underlying quantum mechanics. Black holes are the hard scientific problem in physics -- a region where time and space cease to exist. Biologists are deeply interested in how life began on earth. We know evolution is what drives biology, but how did life even get started? That's the mystery. Neuroscientists want to understand the brain -- how can 100 billion neurons in our head write symphonies, paint great art, and invent new scientific theories?

The hard problem in high end audio has to do with designing loudspeakers (or headphones) that can truly resolve the full spectrum of information in a redbook (or high resolution) digital recording. We are very very far from achieving that goal, and the more time is spent in chasing non-problems, the more time is wasted on trivialities.
"If you look at other categories, say speakers, I'd say there's been no innovation at all. The best loudspeakers of the past 60 years -- the Klipschorn, the Quad ESL 63, the Spendor BBC models, the Magneplanars etc. -- are still some of the best loudspeakers today. No real innovation in the science of making loudspeakers that I can see, except putting bigger cones in bigger boxes. Sure, there is innovation in materials used to make cones, like graphene or Alan Shaw's composite polymer RADIAL midrange cones in Harbeth, but that's an incremental innovation in my book."

Totally true. Add to that List the fabulous Yamaha MS-1000/M, and you've got a pretty good summation of Timeless Speaker designs. I haven't to this very day listened to a better all round Speaker, and if indeed there are EVEN better modern designs out there, I am quite certain they will cost Mortgage-like sums... :rolleyes:
 
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Honestly no different than someone paying thousands of dollars to go to sporting events. I'm sure the person who spends money on a Taylor Swift concert sees value in that.
"Honestly no different than someone paying thousands of dollars to go to sporting events."

I agree. Equally insane...
 
Headphones seem to be a bit of a gateway, as the CAN-JAMs are filled with young people. But I don't know what the conversion rate is of people who start with headphones and then progress to loudspeaker-based high-end systems.

Overall I'm pessimistic as the Boomers die out. But it could be worse. Amateur ("ham") radio makes high-end audio look like a growing, vibrant hobby.
I think I am one of the rare ones who came from the headphone world.

I had the Abyss TC1266 and I kept scaling my electronics up to a point where I realized I can just swap in speakers and be "ok"

That was how I transitioned and never looked back. I no longer have headphones and only have In ear monitors for portable use.

I think for me speakers were always intimidating due to the need to deal with room acoustics and the associated costs of needing space, room treatment, and 2 channel just in general being way more expensive.

The small segment of the snobbery within the hobby does not help as well. Youtube channels like jays Iyagi (korean guy) does help with some exposure to talk to the younger crowd.

I also noticed and could be over thinking but when I go to audio shows at my age (30s) most rooms seem to not take me serious in the sense that they do not feel I would be a potential customer. That is very off putting but is also an indirect compliment because in reality I can afford any system if I really wanted it within reason.

Just sharing my perspective.
 
It is hard as a dealer or distributor to imagine younger folks having disposable income for high end audio for 2 reasons. Interest amongst younger folks is not really there, incomes at lower age brackets also usually not really there.

To make myself feel better when this does happen to me, is quite organic... I just know I can afford whatever is in the room so it does not really bother me. I just think to myself "prick" and move on.

At end of day no hobby is perfect and I am there for the music, I am not about to let some prick on his high horse ruin my day. It also shows what kind of person they became over time, so that's on them.

Thanks for sharing.
 
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Frank, that's nuts. One of my first lessons from my high-end audio mentor, Mike Kay (owner of Lyric Hi-Fi in NYC was to treat anyone who walked through our door with the same respect and that in a town like NYC, one can never judge a book by its cover. Your experience going from head-fi to two-channel audio is something all those who care about the industry's future should pay close attention to. Thanks for relaying your story.
 
Frank, that's nuts. One of my first lessons from my high-end audio mentor, Mike Kay (owner of Lyric Hi-Fi in NYC was to treat anyone who walked through our door with the same respect and that in a town like NYC, one can never judge a book by its cover. Your experience going from head-fi to two-channel audio is something all those who care about the industry's future should pay close attention to. Thanks for relaying your story.
That's great that you care about the story. Me being semi pessimistic I think dealers are on their last leg and only care for the well established clients who are also old age. (I also do not blame them because that is the easiest and fastest track for earn)

I think the industry realistically inevitably will shrink after few more decades. Also regarding the headphone world to 2 channel world.... I do not know of many who made the transition so I feel I am one of the rare lucky individuals. It is refreshing to see someone who cares though. No need to thank at all, just figured to put the story out there regardless.

Some people to really thank are audiophilliac (approachable and speaks to younger audience also) and Jays iyagi (youtube channel for younger folks also about 2 channel)

Those two on their own are lifting all the weight to pass the dying torch to the next generation in my opinion.
 
Also regarding the headphone world to 2 channel world.... I do not know of many who made the transition so I feel I am one of the rare lucky individuals.

I also made the transition from headphones back in 1991 (I'm 62). Growing up in the Seventies I had listened almost exclusively via headphones, and my first audiophile system was with Stax headphones, after which I switched to speakers.
 
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That's great that you care about the story. Me being semi pessimistic I think dealers are on their last leg and only care for the well established clients who are also old age. (I also do not blame them because that is the easiest and fastest track for earn)

I think the industry realistically inevitably will shrink after few more decades. Also regarding the headphone world to 2 channel world.... I do not know of many who made the transition so I feel I am one of the rare lucky individuals. It is refreshing to see someone who cares though. No need to thank at all, just figured to put the story out there regardless.

Some people to really thank are audiophilliac (approachable and speaks to younger audience also) and Jays iyagi (youtube channel for younger folks also about 2 channel)

Those two on their own are lifting all the weight to pass the dying torch to the next generation in my opinion.
John Darko has been doing that job pretty well, too.
 
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