Just got my bill for January's heath insurance, it more than doubled to $733, thanks.

[jazdoc]

Are you part of the Obamacare marketing program ? Seems like he said the same thing...incorrect as it is.

I like the Obamacare marketing program. Where else can you find entertainment like this:

Or the Oregon State Exchange Ad:

By the way, if you think you've signed up for a policy on the Oregon exchange, better check your voice mail:

http://www.oregonlive.com/finance/index.ssf/2013/12/cover_oregon_if_you_dont_hear.html

Oregon's troubled health insurance exchange began robocalling applicants Friday, warning them that if they don't receive enrollment confirmation by Monday, they should seek coverage elsewhere for Jan. 1.

"If you haven't heard from us by Dec. 23, it is unlikely your application will be processed for Jan. 1 insurance coverage," a woman's voice on the pre-recorded call from Cover Oregon says. "If you want to be sure you have insurance coverage starting Jan. 1, you have other options."

Oh yeah, this is going to work out well.

 

[ddk]

Oh yeah, this is going to work out well.

So well in fact that the megalomaniac wants to export it and take over the world with it,

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2010/09/22/fact-sheet-us-global-development-policy

Wonder how those ads will go over in Africa.

david

 

[jap]

 

[DaveyF]

The law passed behind closed doors without a single Republican vote, only democrats, and they didn't even bother to read the bill that affects 300,000,000, THREE HUNDRED MILLION people! What should be removed is obamacare and those who forced it on us.

david

Did you read what I said about the Rep's? Perhaps you are of the belief that the old system worked just fine...

 

[ddk]

Did you read what I said about the Rep's? Perhaps you are of the belief that the old system worked just fine...

I did Davey, you're spreading the blame and advocating for the single payer system. That's just it you want us all to give up our rights to strangers and allow charlatans like obama, reid, pelosi and others to run our lives. Dr. Thomas Sowell put it very eloquently in his article;

"What ObamaCare has done, thanks to Chief Justice Roberts' Supreme Court decision, is reduce us all from free citizens to cowed subjects whom the federal government can order around in our own personal lives, in defiance of the 10th Amendment and all the other protections of our freedom in the Constitution of the United States.
ObamaCare is more than a medical problem, though there are predictable medical problems — and even catastrophes — that will unfold in the course of 2014 and beyond.
Our betters have now been empowered to run our lives, with whatever combination of arrogance and incompetence they may have, or however much they lie."

"What kind of man would blithely disrupt the medical care of millions of Americans, and then repeatedly lie to them with glib assurances that they could keep their doctors or health insurance if they wanted to?
What kind of man would set up a system in which people would be forced by law to risk their life savings by divulging their financial identification numbers to strangers who could turn out to be convicted felons?"

You can read the article here if interested,
http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell123013.php3#.UsJw4n-9KK0

Republicans aren't angels but this presidency and all that goes with it lies on the head of democrats and all those who blindly follow them. If you think this is bad wait and see what we're in for with obama's economic and banking policies in a couple more years.

david

 

[FrantzM]

Twenty Years from now, the Affordable Care Act will be taken for granted as much as Social Security.Most people in the USA including the most vociferous opponents to Obamacare don't think twice about receiving their SS check .. Will be same ...

Nothing of value was ever accomplished without pains and sacrifices

 

[Johnny Vinyl]

I am absolutely thrown aback at the amount of healthcare premiums you guys need to fork over every month! Seems totally ludicrous to me, and correct me if I'm wrong but it also no guarantee that any hospital stay or procedure is fully covered.

I went to the doctor, walk-in clinics, and the emergency room on several occasions this past year and I have yet to see a bill. That's not to say it came free as income taxes are certainly higher, but with the system employed here in Canada (and other countries) I NEVER EVER will have to worry about falling ill and potentially being forced into bankruptcy.

 

[egidius]

...I NEVER EVER will have to worry about falling ill and potentially being forced into bankruptcy.

Ah, but isn't that EXACTLY what many US-Citicens had to face before Obamacare.
We in Switzerland have even higher Healthcare fees: Indeed they are like a tax, but you can choose to which private insurer you pay it. You are legally obliged to have a health insurance, but pay it privately, no big difference.
The US System is indeed coming closer to the Swiss system, even though for a long time the Swiss right wing Politicians wanted to abolish the legal need for health insurance. That idea has gone, as they have seen the light of ensuing side costs for the state, as seen - in the US before the Health Reform.

 

[egidius]

I did Davey, you're spreading the blame and advocating for the single payer system. That's just it you want us all to give up our rights to strangers and allow charlatans like obama, reid, pelosi and others to run our lives. Dr. Thomas Sowell put it very eloquently in his article;

"What ObamaCare has done, thanks to Chief Justice Roberts' Supreme Court decision, is reduce us all from free citizens to cowed subjects whom the federal government can order around in our own personal lives, in defiance of the 10th Amendment and all the other protections of our freedom in the Constitution of the United States.
ObamaCare is more than a medical problem, though there are predictable medical problems — and even catastrophes — that will unfold in the course of 2014 and beyond.
Our betters have now been empowered to run our lives, with whatever combination of arrogance and incompetence they may have, or however much they lie."

"What kind of man would blithely disrupt the medical care of millions of Americans, and then repeatedly lie to them with glib assurances that they could keep their doctors or health insurance if they wanted to?
What kind of man would set up a system in which people would be forced by law to risk their life savings by divulging their financial identification numbers to strangers who could turn out to be convicted felons?"

You can read the article here if interested,
http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell123013.php3#.UsJw4n-9KK0

Republicans aren't angels but this presidency and all that goes with it lies on the head of democrats and all those who blindly follow them. If you think this is bad wait and see what we're in for with obama's economic and banking policies in a couple more years.

david

With respect: There is but one BAD president in recent history of the US - and it isn't Obama.

As to content of the Health Reform: It might be useful to differentiate between the idea and the execution? And seen from the outside, there is absolutely no way the old system was perfect. So go and make it work, instead of bedeviling it. As a suggestion: go and compare it to the NHS in the UK, to the private health insurance obligation of Switzerland and maybe even the Chinese health system within the Danwei??

Sorry for my rant, but your post seems so black and white.

 

[rbbert]

Sorry if I missed an obvious point that was already addressed, but:

Where is all this extra premium money going? Health care costs aren't going up nearly as much as what has been mentioned here for premium increases, and with more people buying insurance the individual premium price should be going down, not up. So where is that extra money going??

 

[ack]

Fun thread, and as usual, impossible to leave sentiments outside and stick to the point. Requiring health insurance has nothing to do with losing our liberties, doesn't make Obama bad, why was even Bush dragged into this, and no we will never forget about turning surpluses into debt, killing innocent children under any administration, etc... so let's stick to "insurance": don't forget, we are all required to get car insurance, our freedoms have not suffered, it has nothing to do with socialism, yet it hurts to even have to pay a few thousand dollars for our two cars, and I personally hate the fact premiums vary by town (everything else being equal).

So, the real question is: how do we bring health care premiums down, get better plans, and improve service at the same time. I'd be very interested to see arguments and proposals toward that.

 

[steve williams]

Sorry if I missed an obvious point that was already addressed, but:

Where is all this extra premium money going? Health care costs aren't going up nearly as much as what has been mentioned here for premium increases, and with more people buying insurance the individual premium price should be going down, not up. So where is that extra money going??

Profit for the company??

 

[rbbert]

Profit for the company??

And indeed here is where this discussion should be focused, IMHO...

 

[MylesBAstor]

And indeed here is where this discussion should be focused, IMHO...

+1

 

[steve williams]

And indeed here is where this discussion should be focused, IMHO...

+1

really

 

[rblnr]

Twenty Years from now, the Affordable Care Act will be taken for granted as much as Social Security.Most people in the USA including the most vociferous opponents to Obamacare don't think twice about receiving their SS check .. Will be same ...

Nothing of value was ever accomplished without pains and sacrifices

This (above) is how I hope it shakes out. Something that disturbs me is that even though it has passed, people are wanting and even working for it to fail.

The most vociferous opponent to the ACA has been the insurance industry, which some might say should tell you something. Over $500 million so far, a couple of stories on this:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/15/health.care.lobbying/index.html#cnnSTCText

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickung...reform-while-pretending-to-support-obamacare/


and forbes isn't exactly a bastion of liberalism

 

[jazdoc]

so let's stick to "insurance": don't forget, we are all required to get car insurance, our freedoms have not suffered, it has nothing to do with socialism, yet it hurts to even have to pay a few thousand dollars for our two cars, and I personally hate the fact premiums vary by town (everything else being equal).

Interesting analogy....

1) You are only required to purchase auto insurance if you choose to drive a car. If you opt for other means of transportation, you don't have to buy auto insurance.
2) The federal government doesn't require those who choose not to drive to purchase insurance to subsidize those who choose to drive automobiles. Indeed, most governments discourage automobile use by subsidizing public transportation.
3) Individual states require auto insurance not for the driver, but for the potential victims of the driver's error or negligence.
4) Unlike health insurance, auto insurance prices according to risk pools, not community rating.
5) How expensive would your auto insurance be if you had $5-10 copays for fill-ups and routine maintence?
6) Auto insurance is available for sale across state lines. You don't like the auto carriers domiciled in your state, shop somewhere else for a better policy. You are not allowed to do this with health insurance.
7) Auto insurance is paid with after tax dollars. Most employer based plans are paid with pre-tax dollars (while individual plans are not). Most employees are unaware of the costs of their plans, which are a form of compensation.
8) Automobile insurance is just that, insurance against a rare, catastrophic event. Our current health care system is financed more like an expensive prepayment plan.
9) When you are under 65 and working, the government doesn't tax you to pay for others car insurance. When you are older than65, the government doesn't begin paying for your auto insurance with other peoples money.

This (above) is how I hope it shakes out. Something that disturbs me is that even though it has passed, people are wanting and even working for it to fail.

Once again, I pine away for the good old days when people drove around with bumper stickers with the quote that is misattributed to Jefferson "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism". Opponents of Obamacare warned why it wouldn't work and would make things worse. We are only beginning to see the effects of this misguided legislation. The administration's politically motivated (and possibly unconstitutional) improvisational changes to the law are a tacit acknowledgement of the real world consequences. Wait until after the New Year, it's going to get worse.

 

[ack]

Yes there are stark differences how insurance is sold for cars and individuals - good points. As far as requiring health insurance, you and I and everyone else are living citizens who are also required to pay taxes, therefore similarities with car insurance end there. So take it as a given that, in the same spirit as taxes, we are required to carry health insurance - this has stood the test of the Supreme Court. I want to see what we can do as citizens to lower premiums and get better coverage.

 

[Ronm1]

Does anyone with common sense think any biz will not exploit any opportunity to increase profits. Are you guys in a fog. This goes for the physical vs download thread too.

 

[Johnny Vinyl]

Healthcare should be a right. PERIOD!