Lamm ML3 + LL1, at last!

[PeterA]

Anything to defend your guy. Pathetic.

no, not at all. It is simply to point out you are mistaken. I know of at least three times that your claim is wrong. The Bionors twice and the Vitavox once. No worries Jeff.

 

[Folsom]

So what would explain the "dying" of the amps on the nominally 96 dB sensitive speakers?

BTW, my bad, I should clarify "my minimonitors at the time", I don't use them anymore.

There are a lot of variables and I do not now all of them. Under damped drivers with over damped boxes, particularly with acoustical gain choices that like feedback, and potentially being current hungry with low impedance are all factors.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

I posted this example to simply refute the claim that Lamm was never paired with appropriate speakers at CES. There was one show I think in 2005 where there was a pair of Bionors with Lamm plus later version Vitavox.

i was not at that show with the stereo pair. only the one with the single.

The guy with the big Kharma Exquisite MIDI grand was considering Wilson but chose the Kharma. Apparently it’s an easier load. The pairing sounded quite good to me.

without actually comparing a specific Kharma to a specific Wilson with the Lamm ML3's it's just conjecture, but my expectations would be it's an easier load and a more musical match. and would expect to really like it.

 

[cjfrbw]

My recollection of Steve William's ML3/Alexandria combo in Danville was exemplary sound (at least for me) that I still hold as a mental model within the limitations of aural memory. The imaging was magical.

I can't imagine anybody finding it loose or uncertain unless their ears have been drilled clean by sharp sounding amps.

 

[andromedaaudio]

In the end i wanna have both .
Tubes and SS

 

[morricab]

An audio buddy of mine once bought nominally 96 dB sensitive speakers thinking that his 15 W/ch triode amps (same as I had at the time) could drive them. The amps unceremoniously "died" on the speaker, with a flat and undynamic sound. These speakers had a 10 inch woofer for the bass which seemed to be the problem.

My minimonitors of much less nominal sensitivity (90 dB) at 4 Ohm, but with only a 5 inch midwoofer, could easily be driven very dynamically by the same amps.

It's not just specified sensitivity, but driver surface area as well. The Kharmas have lots of surface area.

Athos 10s have possibly the most beastly 10 inch pro driver for bass…not a problem…my guess is that 15 watt amp had an inferior output transformer….

 

[cjfrbw]

Drivers nominally 'efficient' in terms of sound output can nonetheless have current requirements that exceed the nominal efficiency for optimal performance. Maybe it has to do with weight and stiffness of the drivers (and possibly other issues with crossovers etc.).

 

[morricab]

yes, i had the Kharma Exquisite 1D......sold to me in 2001 by......drum roll.......David Karmeli......who in partnership with Bill Parrish was the new Kharma distributor. those Kharma's were also 91db efficient 4 ohms. but a reasonably easy impedance curve and first order crossover. so 75 Tenor OTL watts was enough in my small room until the Tenor's decided to go 'boom'.....which they did 2-3 times and typically destroyed an Accuton ceramic mid range driver.

i preferred those Kharma's on the Tenor's to the also great and more sorted Lamm ML2's at that time, which directly compared to the Tenor's seemed just a touch 'dark', never heard them on ML3's. first time i heard ML3's was on Wilson Maxx's at a show. and i was quite taken with that combo even though it was a bit mushy. but i was hooked and eventually, years later, got a set of my own to play with and scratch my itch.

the original Tenor 75 watt OTL mono's were very, very special sounding amplifiers. too bad they were not yet a mature product when i owned them.

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Almost bought a pair of Tenor OTLs when I had my OTL phase…kind of glad I didn’t based on the kaboom stories…the hybrids that came later aren’t nearly as good sounding IMO…

 

[andromedaaudio]

I had the Graaf GM 20 and later the GM 200 back in 2008 together with the matching pre amp.
That thing was hot , i had one tube failure on the GM 200 , it was unpractical but sounded nice on vocals

 

[morricab]

R Koda was a very good match for the kharma Midi Grand.
My favourite sound of MOC 22 together with Lyra /CH.
Fit n finish of the Kharmas is excellent

If i had the Midi grand id probably put a Gryphon Apex on them better safe then sorry lol.
I have no idea if the LAMM ML3 can drive them , best is to hear it like peter did

Ps if all goes well i ll be listening to a R Koda K10 shortly on a Pilium power amp

For whatever reason, this room was terrible…the antithesis of dynamics. All colleagues I met at the show felt the same…no one liked it.

 

[andromedaaudio]

For whatever reason, this room was terrible…the antithesis of dynamics. All colleagues I met at the show felt the same…no one liked it.

Who cares i buy what i want , so should everybody else
(First rule of investing buy whats out of favour / nobody wants)

If i had to listen to the stuff you and bonzo liked i wouldnt even be in high end audio , i d buy a nice motor bike instead

 

[Lagonda]

Who cares i buy what i want , so should everybody else
(First rule of investing buy whats out of favour / nobody wants)

If i had to listen to the stuff you and bonzo liked i wouldnt even be in high end audio , i d buy a nice motor bike instead

Especially the music !

 

[andromedaaudio]

For whatever reason, this room was terrible…the antithesis of dynamics. All colleagues I met at the show felt the same…no one liked it.

Do you want me to mention all the rooms at Munchen 22 and 23 that sounded bad / nothing special .....
I dont think you wanna go there .

Ps Regarding the wilson XVX / NAGRA set up i made an exception but that was just because the american sound media called it "best of show " and it triggered me .
For the most part i respect exhibitors

 

[morricab]

Do you want me to mention all the rooms at Munchen 22 and 23 that sounded bad / nothing special .....
I dont think you wanna go there .

Ps Regarding the wilson XVX / NAGRA set up i made an exception but that was just because the american sound media called it "best of show " and it triggered me .
For the most part i respect exhibitors

Knock yourself out…I don’t really care what you thought was bad…you lost me at what you thought was good…

 

[Argonaut]

Do you want me to mention all the rooms at Munchen 22 and 23 that sounded bad / nothing special .....
I dont think you wanna go there .

Do remind us all of exactly how many of your ‘Commercial’ transducers that you have sold in …. How many years of posting here ? whilst posing as a speaker manufacturer ! Sooooo , As brad posted knock yourself out and lets hear your ‘Professional ‘ speaker manufacturer considerations of Munich 22 / 23 ?

 

[andromedaaudio]

Do remind us all of exactly how many of your ‘Commercial’ transducers that you have sold in …. How many years of posting here ? whilst posing as a speaker manufacturer !

I will tell you if you show pictures of your system and make a accompanying video of your system playing music
For the rest my company is a private company and not listed on the stock exchange so i m not obliged to tell you anything by law

Ps You can check my website

 

[Argonaut]

I will tell you if you show pictures of your system and make a accompanying video of your system playing music
For the rest my company is a private company and not listed on the stock exchange so i m not obliged to tell you anything by law

Ps You can check my website

YAWN … Is that all you got Mr Andromedaaudio Speaker manufacturer ? We will take that as a Big Fat Zero then

 

[andromedaaudio]

YAWN … Is that all you got Mr Andromedaaudio Speaker manufacturer ?

Yes my philosophy is KISS ( Keep It Simple Stupid )

 

[Argonaut]

Yes my philosophy is KISS ( Keep It Simple Stupid )

Then you are truly representative of your vision , keep up the good work

 

[andromedaaudio]

Then you are truly representative of your vision , keep up the good work

OK lets get back on topic .
Lamm amplifiers and Speaker combinations .
Anything to say about that ??