Lampizator Valve / Tube Rolling Review Thread

I just now ordered a NOS matched pair of Visseaux TMBF1, and a PX25 (B4) > PX25 (UX4) adapter.

Lampi optimized my GG2's at the factory to run 242's, so I am hoping the experiment works out. My daily driver are KR RK 242's and I am very happy with them.

I understand TMBF1 uses the same heater setting as 242?

Valvo AZ1 Mesh also just arrived today with adapter and now burning in (Telefunken AZ1 mesh on the way). To date, I've been running KR RK 5U4G and Takatsuki 274b in the rectifier position.



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I think you want a UX4 to B4 adaptor, given the base adaptor in triode based Lampis is UX4. That may have been what you meant.

I have just spent about 4-5 months doing no rolling because of TMBF1.

However, I am re-assessing the situation given recent room treatments.

Tonight's rolls are Tesla RD27AS to Tesla AD1 (which was a previous love but TBH isn't hacking it at the moment watching Thin Lizzy on BBC iPlayer) to Sylvania VT-52, which is doing an ace job.

When the world lost Phil Lynott and company it lost quite a bit IMHO.
 
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I think you want a UX4 to B4 adaptor, given the base adaptor in triode based Lampis is UX4. That may have been what you meant.

Nice, glad to hear your positive experience with the TMBF1. I'm looking forward to trying it.

Yes, B4 (Tube Pins) to UX4 (DAC socket). This is the adapter I bought.
 

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Looks very close to what I use, if not the same. Nice and weighty quality Chinese socket and they have stood the test of time, unlike other efforts I have used from China.

TMBF1 - pretty sure you will like it. Post you findings...:)
 
Can someone confirm what the heater setting is for RD27AS is on a Pacific?
It's 4V 2A so if your Pacific says PX-25 on its selector that's the one.

With the recent room treatment installed it is coming out as my current top valve until proven otherwise.

Previous remarks about unnatural sibilance are unfounded and based on listening to bad microphones in the playback chain when it really boils down to it.

RD27AS was way to lively for the untreated room. Now post treatment it is doing seriously well.

The important lesson to be learnt is things change over time. And the ability to tune the sound is very important because of that. Triode rolling definitely provides that ability.
 
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Does anyone here have any experience of the various british cv1039 family 4 volt rectifiers?

All the usual suspects - marconi / brimar / cossor / mullard / stc etc - are readily available on eBay at modest prices.
 
If anyone is looking for Valvo or Telefunken AZ1 Mesh, I ended up with several extras of each brand. 1930's vintage, great tube, shoot me a pm (USA only).
 
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I've purchased a Cunningham Type 80 ST bottle type, which works in the Pacific using a 274A to 5U4G/274B adapter. Folks on the Decware forum swear by the Type 80 tubes especially the globe types. These are very affordable as well.
 
Does anyone here have any experience of the various british cv1039 family 4 volt rectifiers?

All the usual suspects - marconi / brimar / cossor / mullard / stc etc - are readily available on eBay at modest prices.
No experience with these, Mark. Hope you're well.
 
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Hi everybody, some things to consider when tube rolling.
1. Never trust internet opinions, because every circuit is different and every operating point is different, hence there is no defined specific tube sound and disappointment can be lurking on the horizon. By far the best way to save huge money losses is to borrow before buying. Trying in YOUR SYSTEM not in your friend's system.
2. Listen to your equipment manufacturer advices. We for example have 40 different tube types to try and when we choose one - it is because it sounds best. Anybody as a hobbyist, privately - cant try so many tubes and what do you do with the "not selected" ones afterwards ?

3. used tubes of DHT type should be forbidden from shipping. Their cathode is a thin tungsten or other metal string, which gets VERY fragile with hours of usage. So a tube may be 50 years old, of which 20 years it was used, their guts are more fragile than faberge egg. So if you get this 1000$ tube and it crackles - the seller will say SORRY - it was perfect when I shipped it. New tubes can be shipped safely, but not old.

4. "Brands" do not guarantee any consistency. Similar tubes have been made by any plant for many different brands, also companies helped each other and made for each other complementary portfolio positions, for example Haarlan plant made the legendary ECC182 for Valvo, Philips, Siemens, Mullard, Amperex and probably some other as well. There is no such thing as a Philips sounding better than valvo. Also easch plant buys materials from many sources, and one metal is not the same as another metal, so especially across the plants and across the time - tubes hugely varied.

5. The so called getters are not getters, they are getter generators. What people refer to as getters - do not play any role, do not play any music, do not influence the sound, dont have any influence on anything whatsoever. It may however make some sens if a different tube tybe has a different shape of "getter" that may indicate overall assembly difference and it may mean a diferent sound. Thats how we can interpret saying like: the 6SN7 with D shape getter sounds better than the one with O getter. For the record: a getter is the silver shiny mirror stuff on the glass - a deposit of ions.

6. If you have say a Lampizator DAC and you buy a super precious set of DHT tubes, what you do is called sometimes "tube training" or "regeneration". You wanna gently bring to life a tube that maybe spend 30 years doing nothing. To collect all unwanted gasses and put them on the getters and not enjoy fireworks - you first do heating session without power applied to anode. You do this: first, remove the rectifier tube from the amp or DAC to "remove" high voltage component of the anode supply. This way the music tubes will be fed with heater only. Then set the DAC heater switch to the lowest current available (the furthest from 300B which is always the highest). (I mean even if it is actually a 300B use the lowest "wrong" setting). Instert the newly acquired unknown condition tubes. Keep them warm for 24 hrs. After that, if there is a "correct" setting for the new tubes thats not the one you used - we call it nominal - use that another 24 hrs. After the total of 48 hrs insert the rectifier tube (while DAC is ON) and let it warm up. Very slowly the new tubes will be given anode high voltage and will start conducting the current.

7. Remember, the current is flowing in the tube from bottom - up. From Cathode to anode - the whole magic of tube operation happens IN THE CATHODE , the electron generation and emission to the space around the wire, which in this case is the filiament - the tiny glowing string. That is your tube! Magic happens! The whole black box inside is just anode - almost unimportant. It only collects the electrons and sends them to the ground. So it doesnt matter if the tube has black anode, grey anode, shiny anode etc - the CATHODE is far far more important. But we practically can't see it, so nobody discusses it.

8. You can easily measure many tube and circuit parameters using only the simplest voltmeter from Home Depot. Having said that, every audiophile worth his salt MUST have a real meter. It only cost 50-80 Euro and it will last a lifetime. For example UNI-T UT70B is an example of an excellent high end but cheap meter. So once you have any meter, you can gently pull the tube up by 1 cm or 1/4 inch and gain access to the pins and there are MANY things you can measure: bias current, bias voltage, grid voltage, heater current, heater voltage, anode voltage, signal gain, cathode voltage, incoming signal strength, outgoing signal level, even to some degree - the output impedance. Just a meter and 10 minutes of work to do all that. No tools required.

9. You can swap rectifier tubes while listening - there is no pop, no click, and no damage to the tube, no damage to the equipment. Just use a glove.

10. it is ok to touch the tubes with your hand (when it is cold !) , no need to be paranoid about a finger prints. Dirty tubes can go to a dishwasher once a year. No - not the washing machine and don't try to spin them dry.

11. The life expectancy of the tube given in hours is in fact 10 to 20 x bigger than declared on the document. Usually it is a ridiculously low 2000 hrs. They give this value for working under ABSOLUTELY MAXIMUM, worst conditions. : maximum current, maximum voltage, maximum power, maximum temperature, any worst case scenario, add to it a safety design marhgin - 25% civil engineering headroom or 100% military headroom, They assume "Sue me if you want" conditions. Using the same strict conditions, a passenger car would be guaranteed for a week.
In practical life in a DAC, all tubes should last a lifetime. 2000 Hrs is a sick joke.
And lastly - the world has accumulated the supply of tubes that can keep our industry going for another 600-800 years even without new production.



Still appreciating the above post from Mr Fikus and currently following the advice with a pair of NOS CX301A's in my B7
 
On the block. Metal base Radio Technique R86. Non-metal is available.

2 hours in and obviously fantastically euphonic with rock.

Lowish gain, before people ask, because it's important to people, obviously.

Susceptible to RF from an Amazon Firestick.

These measure great but have obviously seen a lot of use over the years. Love that they've seen massive use and still make it on the test bench. Sign of true quality.

A definite fleshed out, generous, sound great quality is obvious. Does a fab Whole Lotta Love.
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Would you say this tube is worth pursuing. I feel it will be a good change of pace from the KR242, TMBF1, and RD27AS. For a mellow, thicker sounding tube, does it hide the music too much?
 
Would you say this tube is worth pursuing. I feel it will be a good change of pace from the KR242, TMBF1, and RD27AS. For a mellow, thicker sounding tube, does it hide the music too much?
Unfortunately the only way to find out is to try it.

To me it is significantly different to the valves you mention and quite markedly so.

I found an issue with them I don't think I reported. The original Big 7 had a serious design issue in that the triode sockets were placed way to close to each other. Some triodes seriously don't seem to like it and they talk to each other and cause hum. The more hours they run the worse it becomes. Another example that does this is the Marconi PX4. There are more.

So definitely NOT recommended in that circumstance, I am afraid.

Otherwise I think your insight may ring true for you. It isn't an upfront, clean and clear valve. It is thicker and easier/arguably blurred compared to some but it does sound really good to me with the right material.

For those that don't know my Big 7 has been radically modified and can meet the voltage requirements of this valve exactly.
 
Unfortunately the only way to find out is to try it.

To me it is significantly different to the valves you mention and quite markedly so.

I found an issue with them I don't think I reported. The original Big 7 had a serious design issue in that the triode sockets were placed way to close to each other. Some triodes seriously don't seem to like it and they talk to each other and cause hum. The more hours they run the worse it becomes. Another example that does this is the Marconi PX4. There are more.

So definitely NOT recommended in that circumstance, I am afraid.

Otherwise I think your insight may ring true for you. It isn't an upfront, clean and clear valve. It is thicker and easier/arguably blurred compared to some but it does sound really good to me with the right material.

For those that don't know my Big 7 has been radically modified and can meet the voltage requirements of this valve exactly.
Thanks
 
The 48-hour "re-awakening" process has now begun, slowly waking these ancient french tubes from a deep slumber...





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Well, this is unfortunate. Both tubes heated up from initial power on. Both remained warm for one day, then I noticed one tube was cold. Hopefully the seller will accept returns.
 
Well, this is unfortunate. Both tubes heated up from initial power on. Both remained warm for one day, then I noticed one tube was cold. Hopefully the seller will accept returns.
Have you tried swapping the tubes over to check it isn’t the adapter Blake?
 
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I did, I swapped adapters and swapped channels, no luck. The tube heated up just fine, it was warm for a day, then just went cold.

However, the seller had a single and he is sending me that tube as a replacement.
 
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These were born on December 1942.
 
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