Low cost Natural sound systems from YouTube

[bonzo75]

I’d just put the money towards a system like Tang’s... I’m sure his phone is great but there might be other things going on there as well

He actually edits his phone sound. Samsung has that app. Does not mean Samsung is the answer for everyone and we should not keep pushing Samsung as the only choice for everyone. It is all subjective

 

[the sound of Tao]

He actually edits his phone sound. Samsung has that app. Does not mean Samsung is the answer for everyone and we should not keep pushing Samsung as the only choice for everyone. It is all subjective

Lol

 

[NorthStar]

Vivaldi ?

L'arte del violino, Op. 3, Concerto No. 6 in G Minor: III. Vivace - Capriccio

? https://music.apple.com/ca/album/locatelli-larte-del-violino-op-3-concerti-nos-5-6-mono/1052094631

 

[Folsom]

This is very good. The speed and nuance is excellent. For tone, I can settle for it though I would prefer to have 2 or 3 from the list in my link, for the violin (i haven't been through the rest again)

As for expensive TTs, most of them are at Garrard 301 and EMT 930 level, which are not expensive, especially if not restored.

I think people are missing that I said *tried* to make a video. Believe it or not the phone can't keep up with it (it's a surprisingly fast piece during crucial moments) and the more critical parts sound estranged, and wrong - they're sharp when they shouldn't be like information is missing. The "roundness" to the notes just doesn't transfer, tone doesn't come through, as the tone is generated by the instrument in the recording and not the electronics that would give it a sheen across the board.

How does Tang edit the sound? I used my old Samsung phone to capture it (better than new iPhone).

 

[bonzo75]

Sorry that was a joke. He doesn't edit it. It sounds good because his system does, but things are lost there as well. Things are lost on the phone on all systems

 

[Folsom]

Ya, I know it is imperfect, but it's sorta frustrating that phone problems make it impossible for me to record anything to come across real well. I could easily swap amps to something that gives a pleasant sheen to everything, but that isn't the strength of the stereo. The warped sound from either of my phones literally steals all the thunder, because it's distracting from the good qualities like volume scaling.

When I hear other recordings people do, they sound surprisingly like the same version I've heard in person for a lot of stuff.

I had hope the sound would transfer well enough to encourage you to look for a step above, a step farther, than stuff in the videos, for the next venture. Instead it's a "bandsaw"

 

[gian60]

Hi David
My speaker are really 98db and with crossover 6 dB very simple and 6/8 ohm and I used for 2 years with Kondo ksl M7 with phono GE1 and one Souga,8 watt in my 80 mt room
Power was enough and sound loud enough
Then I bought a second Souga too biamp not for the power but for sound that with one Souga only for mid and tweeter sound was more natural
I never liked SS amp,with CH tried well in my home really liked a lot
When I listen at normal level and my wife tell me to lower the volume I see in M1 display the peak power at 1.5/2 watt

 

[gian60]

I was lucky also that Italy is little and mainly and bigger distributor was near Milan 40/ 80 km from my home
So they always brought top amp or others thing to my home to listen
But not only to sell like can do now,but for passion and understand well the difference between different amp

One day we tested in my home
ML N20
Rowland M7 mono
Jadis 200 and 500
Cello performance

Was an incredible weekend

 

[bonzo75]

I was lucky also that Italy is little and mainly and bigger distributor was near Milan 40/ 80 km from my home
So they always brought top amp or others thing to my home to listen
But not only to sell like can do now,but for passion and understand well the difference between different amp

One day we tested in my home
ML N20
Rowland M7 mono
Jadis 200 and 500
Cello performance

Was an incredible weekend

Even now over a weekend one can test in your house similar level of gear but on the analog front

 

[Tango]

The tiny speakers in the front, not the big ones at the back

This little Roger's really surprise me and make me want to have ones at home. Great sound.

@Folsom. I use Samsung S9. I am so bad at tech so I don't know how to use sound editing app. I find Samsung captures mids and highs more accurate than iPhone. I told Bonzo to get one so that we could hear things from the same device and this phone is excellent for a shitty photographer like him. The S9 also come with excellent speakers. Most realistic Ooh Arhh from porn clips imo. Just a joke. Let's see if Ron will jump in to edit.

Kind regards,
Tang

 

[morricab]

Yes on the tone, so I said I would prefer the other two for the tone. But it's got speed and nuance. I think the tone can be rectified by using a good recording and good cart phono combo

For violin, tone is nearly everything...

 

[bonzo75]

For violin, tone is nearly everything...

He is building a system, so there are things it is doing well, not doing well, and can be rectified

 

[morricab]

I think people are missing that I said *tried* to make a video. Believe it or not the phone can't keep up with it (it's a surprisingly fast piece during crucial moments) and the more critical parts sound estranged, and wrong - they're sharp when they shouldn't be like information is missing. The "roundness" to the notes just doesn't transfer, tone doesn't come through, as the tone is generated by the instrument in the recording and not the electronics that would give it a sheen across the board.

How does Tang edit the sound? I used my old Samsung phone to capture it (better than new iPhone).

This is why I record systems with a TASCAM field recorder...phones?? Seriously? I thought this was a high end forum...

 

[morricab]

He is building a system, so there are things it is doing well, not doing well, and can be rectified

Not doing tone well is a fatal flaw...a seven deadly audio sin...start over...

 

[Audiophile Bill]

Not doing tone well is a fatal flaw...a seven deadly audio sin...start over...

Totally agree, Brad. In my horn build it is the foundation on which I am refusing to budge.

 

[Audiophile Bill]

I personally don’t think one can rescue tone by trying to tune it back in - you end up creating an artificial sound imho. I think tone starts with the drivers, cabinet and XO networks. Thereafter, driving those appropriately with optimised amps.

 

[PeterA]

I personally don’t think one can rescue tone by trying to tune it back in - you end up creating an artificial sound imho. I think tone starts with the drivers, cabinet and XO networks. Thereafter, driving those appropriately with optimised amps.

That's an interesting idea. I agree that tone is paramount. I always thought of it as first being captured on the recording, then assembling a system that does as little as possible to corrupt it, and finally, setting the system up optimally in the room to make it come alive for the listener. Frequency extension, scale, resolution, these can all come from different approaches and budgets, but capturing tone and then doing no harm, is the key IMO. Perhaps the transducers, cartridge and speakers, matter the most in the "do no harm" part. That may be why there seem to be so many different examples of systems with great tone.

Nice videos, Kedar. I like the Lowthers. I'd like to hear something like Carmina Burana, O Fortuna in one of these videos, or Holst's Jupiter. Something a bit more complex on these wonderful systems.

 

[bonzo75]

I personally don’t think one can rescue tone by trying to tune it back in - you end up creating an artificial sound imho. I think tone starts with the drivers, cabinet and XO networks. Thereafter, driving those appropriately with optimised amps.

That's because you and Brad are thinking only from a horn driver point of view. If tone is there in a recording, it can be got back in...part of the reason I think that video does not have right tone is recording and electronics. All he needs to do is play a good recording and add a good phono - he is anti-valve though and he tries to create a Spectral sort of sound with his own electronics which is not working for him at the moment, imo.

 

[bonzo75]

This is @awsmone ' s Altec playing two violin pieces with good tone. I will let everyone guess what combo of valve and SS he is using.

I haven't asked him yet if I can post on here, but I am sure he won't mind, as I am giving him the Zero Distortion certificate for Low Cost high level Natural Sound achievement of 2019 (I got the inspiration to make up such stuff from Munich)

 

[Audiophile Bill]

That's an interesting idea. I agree that tone is paramount. I always thought of it as first being captured on the recording, then assembling a system that does as little as possible to corrupt it, and finally, setting the system up optimally in the room to make it come alive for the listener. Frequency extension, scale, resolution, these can all come from different approaches and budgets, but capturing tone and then doing no harm, is the key IMO. Perhaps the transducers, cartridge and speakers, matter the most in the "do no harm" part. That may be why there seem to be so many different examples of systems with great tone.

Nice videos, Kedar. I like the Lowthers. I'd like to hear something like Carmina Burana, O Fortuna in one of these videos, or Holst's Jupiter. Something a bit more complex on these wonderful systems.

Hi Peter,

Yes agree with what you are saying. Because the overall sound of the end product is most influenced by the transducers then if they are flawed you are stumped. There is no way of creating authentic tone from poor drivers.