More 70's Music on Vinyl- Original or Early Pressings
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Ronstadts what's new with the nelson riddle orchestra is the exception. look for TML in the dead wax and you have a good one.
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Myles, too much tobasco in your bloody mary this morning?
im no expert on the best pressing of fragile but i'll take your word the tape is better. its still compressed to me and MEP agrees so there
Myles, too much tobasco in your bloody mary this morning?
im no expert on the best pressing of fragile but i'll take your word the tape is better. its still compressed to me and MEP agrees so there
Mark still hasn't responded to my question. And I think different front end will give different results on different albums.
I don't have any 'special' LPs of Fragile. The tape is compressed, but I don't mean compressed to death. It's just there and it's definitely a governor on the dynamic range throttle.
If I may offer an opinion, as a Yes fan first and audiophile second, I think "Fragile" is one of the best sounding Yes albums. Their later albums were MUCH more compressed, with a lot more going on, forming that "compressed mass" sound that can be annoying at times.
"Yes Album" is pretty clean too, in my opinion. In fact, I use it as a reference. I could've used "Fragile", as it sounds great too, but the music on "Yes Album" is better
Since we're talking 70s prog on vinyl, I'm listening to PFM's first "Storia di un minuto", on a original '72 pressing, and being very underwhelmed. Maybe it's this particular copy, but the CD is no slouch, being more open and detailed, and the vinyl more muddy and closed-in, with less highs.
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"Yes Album" is pretty clean too, in my opinion. In fact, I use it as a reference. I could've used "Fragile", as it sounds great too, but the music on "Yes Album" is better
Since we're talking 70s prog on vinyl, I'm listening to PFM's first "Storia di un minuto", on a original '72 pressing, and being very underwhelmed. Maybe it's this particular copy, but the CD is no slouch, being more open and detailed, and the vinyl more muddy and closed-in, with less highs.
alexandre
For the more adventurous, many Phillip's pressings of Brazilian artists from the 1970's are quite good. A few I enjoy:
Jorge Ben "Africa Brasil"
Jorge Ben "Solta O Pavao"
Maria Bethania "Alibi"
Gilberto Gil "Refazenda"
Elis Regina/Jobim "Elis & Tom"
Jorge Ben "Africa Brasil"
Jorge Ben "Solta O Pavao"
Maria Bethania "Alibi"
Gilberto Gil "Refazenda"
Elis Regina/Jobim "Elis & Tom"
That's not my experience
Myles-It's too bad that your VU meters are disconnected so you can see how much they swing or don't swing playing back different recordings. There is a definite correlation between meter movement and dynamic range. Recordings that are compressed to death will have the meters pretty much pegged in one spot and they won't move much at all. Recordings that have lots of dynamic range will swing your meters from -20 to +3 and all points in between. Most of the jazz recordings I have do this easily. In fact, some you have to really watch closely so you don't have the output turned too high on the deck so it will peg your meter when the recording was made on the hot side. The next time I play Fragile, I will pay close attention to what I'm seeing and hearing. Again, I'm not trying to say this is a heavily compressed recording, but I do detect compression and it's certainly not one of my most dynamic recordings. I have an Elton John recording that is much better in terms of dynamic range.
I played that record to death back in the early 70's. I have my original copy around somewhere. I also have it on Classic, bought new when it was re-released. Never compared them, but figure the original is gonna kick some Macon style ass. Love those boys. Sat next to their table at the RRHoF dinner (I think it was the year the band was inducted- they were some big mofo's-and I'm not talking about Warren Haynes (who used to live nearby).
Amazon has one copy, near mint, a Warner Bros 1843 which is one of the copies I have from 1970 I believe. They're only asking $14.99. Very good sounding.
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I was actually just comparing the copy below to a WB/Rhino re release of a couple of years ago. Right now I prefer the Rhino copy. The 180g vinyl is much quieter than my 40+ year old original even though my original is in great shape. The Rhino version seems more transparent and defined as well.
Interesting- I've been blown away by how good some of the early Green label pressings are on Warners, not sure about the Sweet Baby James record. The standard issue JT is pretty excellent, but I remember it on Columbia, not Warners, am I wrong?
JT was his first release for Columbia in 1977. He was with Warner from 1969 until then. First label was Apple in 1968.
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