More Format Wars?

[mep]

Are you actually dismissing the element of truth which exist behind his comment?

tb1

Uh, what element of "truth" would that be?

 

[Julf]

Yes just like Communist propaganda. 1/2% fact, 99 1/2% fiction.

And I guess everybody uses hyperbole except you.

And no one outside of a very few here have actually compared the digital copy of a master tape vs. the tape. No matter what the analog deficiencies, the digital copy should be perfect, copy. It ain't. It ain't even close. It's an epic fail. So how can digital. be right in real life?

I don't think anyone claims digital is "perfect". Digital, just like analog, has a limit on accuracy/resolution. The more interesting question is "which one is closer to the original signal, the analog or the digital copy?".

 

[mep]

And I guess everybody uses hyperbole except you.



I don't think anyone claims digital is "perfect". Digital, just like analog, has a limit on accuracy/resolution. The more interesting question is "which one is closer to the original signal, the analog or the digital copy?".

You left something out of your sentence. It should say "which one is closer to the original analog signal, the analog or digital copy?" Hmm, I'm going with the analog copy of the analog source.

 

[TBone]

And no one outside of a very few here have actually compared the digital copy of a master tape vs. the tape. No matter what the analog deficiencies, the digital copy should be perfect, copy. It ain't. It ain't even close. It's an epic fail.

When you say "digital copy", do you mean all digital copies, perhaps only certain digital copies, digital copies at the hand of certain engineers ... exactly what kind of "digital" are you referencing?

tb1

 

[Julf]

You left something out of your sentence. It should say "which one is closer to the original analog signal, the analog or digital copy?" Hmm, I'm going with the analog copy of the analog source.

Just because both happen to have the attribute "analog"? is that a case of argumentation by analogy?

 

[MylesBAstor]

And I guess everybody uses hyperbole except you.



I don't think anyone claims digital is "perfect". Digital, just like analog, has a limit on accuracy/resolution. The more interesting question is "which one is closer to the original signal, the analog or the digital copy?".

You still haven't answered basic question 101.

 

[Julf]

You still haven't answered basic question 101.

Sorry, what question was that?

 

[MylesBAstor]

Sorry, what question was that?

Why can't digital make a perfect copy of a master tape?

 

[rockitman]

Why can't digital make a perfect copy of a master tape?

It can't, the a/d process will never be perfect.

 

[JackD201]

As one of our administrators said, an engineer with a boat load of experience in digital, the math is right but the implementation isn't there yet.

 

[Julf]

Why can't digital make a perfect copy of a master tape?

For the same reason analog technologies can't make perfect copies either - finite resolution (as measured by SNR and bandwidth).

 

[Julf]

It can't, the a/d process will never be perfect.

Just like a tape copy will never be perfect.

 

[MylesBAstor]

Just like a tape copy will never be perfect.

That's not an answer.

 

[mep]

Just like a tape copy will never be perfect.

Yeah, but which one sounds better before the transfer and after??

 

[rockitman]

Just like a tape copy will never be perfect.

At least it is not stripped of the ultimate musicality that a/d seems to do....degrading timbral accuracy, spatial cues, instrument space and sound stage size.

 

[Julf]

That's not an answer.

Yes, it is. It might not be the answer you want, but it is most definitely an answer. Why don't you think so?

 

[Julf]

Yeah, but which one sounds better before the transfer and after??

The only one that can tell which one sounds better to you is you yourself. If we are looking for a more general answer, it would require a statistically significant amount of controlled listening tests.

 

[Julf]

At least it is not stripped of the ultimate musicality that a/d seems to do....degrading timbral accuracy, spatial cues, instrument space and sound stage size.

I assume you are presenting that as a personal, subjective view - a view, that while perfectly valid, not everybody shares.

 

[rockitman]

I assume you are presenting that as a personal, subjective view - a view, that while perfectly valid, not everybody shares.

I am...I was digital only from 1984 to 2010. Once I compared vinyl to my digital, the answer was obvious to me. Analog ruled.

 

[Julf]

I am...I was digital only from 1984 to 2010. Once I compared vinyl to my digital, the answer was obvious to me. Analog ruled.

Fair enough - you are definitely not the only one preferring vinyl, but it is a subjective preference, and others might (and do) have different preferences.