Munich HighEnd 2024

[Audio_Karma]

The all new Silent Pound Challenger MK2 speakers will be at this Show please give us some feedback on these speakers Thanks !

https://www.facebook.com/silentpound/

 

[Amir]

Amir, can you tell us anything about those very cool looking diffusers? First I’ve seen them I’m sure they’d be beneficial for a lot of installations.

How long before the honey can be harvested

I visited TAD room yesterday and the room was very beautiful , maybe the best room in this show.
I have no idea about those cool looking diffusers .

 

[Amir]

Thanks Marty. Can you describe the sound of the AC room? People usually rave about Aries Cerat. What did you think of the new turntable?

I have listened to Aries Cerat two times and it was not good. I will check this room today again but I am not hopeful to get better sound.
My guess is those AC horn speakers should be in better room , better room means the speaker load the room in it’s best way. The AC room was so much big and it was not good for AC speakers.
The other problem was the speaker position, I think the speaker position was far from ideal.
Placing speakers 45 degrees to room walls are not my favorite.
The harmonics was also off , I do not why but I guess it relates to electronics or AC filters not speakers.
This horn speakers was not like highly dynamic vintage horns, I do not why .

I will listen more to this room and back you if I get better impression.



I think if I want listen to AC horns for right judgment I should listen to AC in right condition, not all but most of negative judgments are related to setup not audio equipments.

I also think the sound is better after 11AM maybe because of the systems warm up.

I believe AC quality in Munich show is not good.

 

[Ron Resnick]

Please check out Acappella and Tune Audio.

 

[bonzo75]

To begin, it blew my mind that somebody is offering this piece of crap for 4M. No idea who makes it and I don’t care. It was a sonic abomination and just horrifying.

High price is the best way to get people to take crap seriously. And nothing epitomises this rule like the Munich show.

I was checking with a friend who was visiting the show the first time on what he thought of certain rooms, only to find he had avoided them due to the price tags on the door. He was really looking to find realistic prices to make future purchases for himself. He is going to have a a very short show.

 

[morricab]

High price is the best way to get people to take crap seriously. And nothing epitomises this rule like the Munich show.

I was checking with a friend who was visiting the show the first time on what he thought of certain rooms, only to find he had avoided them due to the price tags on the door. He was really looking to find realistic prices to make future purchases for himself. He is going to have a a very short show.

Tell him to go to Grandinote…realistic prices and good sound…even at the show…

 

[morricab]

Please check out Acappella and Tune Audio.

Tune was pretty good. Pleasant and no nasties. Acapella was outstanding, probably the best sound I heard yesterday .

What guys are saying here about AC is not quite right. From about 100Hz and up there wasn’t much to compete with it. Below that there were bass issues, room and setup related I think but it was muddy and overripe.

 

[matthias]

Did anyone visit Martion Audio across the street?
Thx

 

[bonzo75]

Tune was pretty good. Pleasant and no nasties.

Is that Anima - what amps

 

[morricab]

Is that Anima - what amps

No, one model smaller…two-way with Fostex backloaded and horn tweeter.

Amp was a Trafomatic 300b

 

[bonzo75]

No, one model smaller…two-way with Fostex backloaded and horn tweeter.

Amp was a Trafomatic 300b

I never liked Tue Audio Marvel and Prime - unless he has got a new model out between Marvel and Anima.

What about WE/Silbatone room, are they there?

 

[orfeo_monteverdi]

High price is the best way to get people to take crap seriously // So true...

And high prices ⇏ crap.
Conversely, crap ⇏ high prices.
Let's just say that (crap∧wishForCredibility) ⇒ (high prices ∨ marketingBullshit)

 

[andromedaaudio]

Hifi deluxe 2024.

Opens 12:00 till 20.00

 

[orfeo_monteverdi]

I think if I want listen to AC horns for right judgment, I should listen to AC in right condition, not all but most of negative judgments are related to setup, not audio equipment.

[please forgive my poor English]

I never heard Aries Cerat (full system) on show.
I was lucky enough to hear one of their full system in excellent condition, in a lively, dedicated room: genuinely outstanding, I was literally speechless. Never, ever heard that in my life. (I attend 35 live, unamplified concerts/year).

BTW, the excellent TAD Reference One TX were the best sound of the show in one of the three Brussels hifi shows in November 2023. I attended the show with two friends, one is a former sound engineer, the other is luthier (string-instrument maker). We all agreed on the TAD (powered by huge Krells, admittedly; yeah, I know, Bonzo will rant about this ;-)

 

[andromedaaudio]

Stenheim.NAF Vyger

 

[andromedaaudio]

Same room .
Tubes
SA labs .

 

[andromedaaudio]

Atlantis lab .symphonic line .

 

[andromedaaudio]

RETHM Air tight.

 

[orfeo_monteverdi]

Hifi Deluxe, ROOM 136 displays a loudspeaker which is one of a kind: Ilumnia.
the cone has NO spider, and NO suspension.
It has been awarded by a Diapason d'Or in the French classical music magazine, Diapason.

Worth to be checked, imho, if at least they are lucky with the setup...
(I heard them several times in Brussels)


DETAILS

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99,7% linearity

Ilumnia LEMS* 8" midbass driver with electromagnetic suspension (no spider, no surround)
* LEMS or linear excursion motor system
One of the world’s best electrodynamic driver in terms of :

Linearity : > 99% linear at full excursion (8mm)
Resonance : no mechanical coupling of cone to basket, no surround, no spider
Distortion (no spider, no surround, minimum of moving parts and mechanical connections)


Key elements :

Not physically restrained by the mechanical suspension of spider and surround
Very low moving mass (only 15 grammes)
Low kinetic energy of moving mass
Less inertia problems

 

[andromedaaudio]

Iluminia vitus.