"Natural" Sound
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Amir, we do indeed have an entire thread discussing the term "natural". It is your position that it has no meaning. It is not "our" position. Not everyone agrees with you and repeating it many times will not change that. The term does have meaning to some of us. Your posts have done nothing to change that for me. And my posts defining the term for me have done nothing to change your opinion. That is fine, but I'm not sure that this thread has shed much light on the subject.
"Natural" does not mean "I like it" or "it makes me feel good". Perhaps those are your definitions. And despite the many graphs, they do not describe everything about the way a system sounds in a room. Rodney even wrote that it his last post.
Peter, I tried to locate such a thread but couldn't put my finger on it. ...Must have been during my vacationing voyage across the universe. :b
Anyway, I was going to read the main lines (tags/posts) and decide if it was worth to link here.
* During my professional career the balance between nature and men was a fragile one @ times; it could have killed me, and it was an awesome experience.
It is that distinction which made it all worth it. ...From serious to humorous. ...And I think that natural sound strikes that pleasant and immortal balance.
Natural is to be alive.
Of course it is not. That is why I said we have had this long thread because you all think it means something, and I am saying it means nothing. Then David turns around and asks me to demonstrate that EQ creates natural sound. He can ask you that if you understand the term. He should not ask me as I have been more than clear that it conveys nothing specific to me.
Just go to a show and walk up to the loudspeaker designer and say, "well, your loudspeaker does not produce natural sound. Can you fix that?" You think he would know what you mean?
Of course it means those. As otherwise you would say a system sounds natural but you did not like it. And if you don't feel good when you hear a natural system, then I don't know what to think of what you all use that term for.
As I said, it has no definition but it is my impression that you use such adjectives when you do like a system. If you don't then I bet that is another thing you all won't agree despite telling me this is a known and specific term among you.
I agree with Amir's above reply; "natural" can have as many definitions as there are sounds on our planet...and with all the people who can hear them.
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Natural v. Neutral
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V57_5NVbCe8
Neuural means nothing added..or does it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V57_5NVbCe8
Neuural means nothing added..or does it?
In audio and in the sound of the real thing, I also think the term "natural" is a non-descriptor. If I change the tubes in my amp ( musical instrument amp or audio amp) which set is the more "natural". If the strings on the instrument are changed from 9's to 10's or from one brand to another ( which BTW, can make the instrument sound very different), which is more "natural". I believe, that to anyone who listens to a 'live' instrument, or better still plays one, the term makes no sense. At least, IMHO.
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Without drawing any comparison to 'Audio' in regard to "natural sound". ...Perfect, just perfect. ...Equed just naturally right like in-the-room with you...touching the soul directly gently softly...in the here, in the ear, in the moment present, in the now, in the space, ...it's live, and alive.
We have an entire thread where we took the position that "natural" is a lay term that has little insight coming with it. Now you are saying I have to accept that descriptor to have a meaning??? It has no meaning. I don't know what it means to have natural bass in your mind. I do know what is correct bass when I create it and a bunch of people in a listening test give it thumbs up. And I can correlate that with measurements of the same. Naturally, remedies fall out of that, i.e. correcting the response.
Natural as a term of enjoyment or good feeling about a system doesn't yield any analysis or response.
We? Surely not me and several others ... You are free to not accept it and ignore the thousands of times the word has been used with a specific meaning by a large community, even some who are part of AES.
But please do not distort the thread being paternalistic.
You'd need to give us a fully subjective description of your system's strengths and weaknesses before we could possibly answer that, Keith...
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