Perhaps you consider them to be the same. To me, pleasant and natural mean completely different things.
Natural Sound
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Perhaps you consider them to be the same. To me, pleasant and natural mean completely different things.
That is basically what WBF is. A bunch of guys with excess disposal income spending it on hifi toys and debating what's best
First world problems to the extreme.
The TOS prohibits us from discussing the worlds real problems. So we discuss movies, basketball, and audio instead. I always found “first world problems” to be a strange expression.
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So you wink, or roll your eyes, or stick your tongue out during conversations with people?
I would prefer it, because doing so with care should provide clearer intent.
Writing and speaking often leads to misunderstandings. But there can be a dialog and explanations leading to clarity. Less so with emojis. Does the laughing emoji mean he thinks your comment is funny or ridiculous, or you’ve got eggs on you face? Is he laughing out loud or quietly to himself? Does the roll eyes emoji mean your reader is bored or rediculous? Does the thumbs up mean you agree, ok you understand, you like something a lot or a little? Or are you just agreeing with your buddy because he is arguing with someone you can’t stand?
People want to be clever by being vague, open to interpretation or inference but not definitive. It is safer. Members insult each other all the time and end the post with a wink to be safe or avoid being reported. Wink, no worries mate. You are an idiot. Or, hearts in my eyes: I love you bro, I have a man crush man. I agree with you 1000%. That’s great, you just checkmated that fool.
Emojis enable one to respond very quickly and not have to spend the time or mental effort to compose a clear and articulate response to better convey meaning. We used to say that something is funny for these reasons. Then, wow, that’s funny. Then, in the screen age, simply LOL. Now it is a laughing face like the tween girls use.
The introduction of emojis here on this forum has led in my view to a general decline in cordiality, tribal factions, and misunderstandings. The tone and tenor of the discourse has declined. We came as curios hobbyists and are now ranked with points in different charts, everything collected, and to report that we are not really equal. Reaction scores? Who comes up with this stuff? Some very clever people.
Very well put, Peter. I wrote similar things in my OP discussing the misunderstandings and ambiguities resulting from the use of the "like" button. See https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/the-like-button.36623/
Thank you Ron. I was answering a very different question about why I call the use of emojis laziness. You focused on the ambiguous meaning of the singly "like" button. I was responding to the entire collection of buttons here and the issues I see surrounding their use.
I responded in your earlier thread about the use of the like button. My main point was about keeping score and ranking members. I think it also saves storage space because it replaced the full copying of posts and then simply writing "+1", or +2, +100. People can not see the immediate response because they have to scroll down to read separate posts. The "like" button shows clearly how readers respond right there at the bottom of the post, saving effort.
I still think it is a very vague and clumsy way to communicate, and I still think its use here is about ranking, tribalism, indicating thread activity for eyeballs, and is a big part of the shift to the monetization of this audio site and the resulting change of tone. You omitted that part of my post by not including the last paragraph in your quote and your response.
Yes, I omitted that part of your post, because that was the part I did not agree with. If I had simply "liked" your entire post people probably would have assumed I agreed with and endorsed each individual element of your post -- which was not the case. This, itself, proves one of the problems with the "like" button I outlined.
Solo sailing into stormy weather just off shore, from fair winds to maelstrom in 20 seconds. For scale, Boston is in the distance in the bottom photo. iPhone.
Curious … Might you provide us with some of your examples highlighting such a claim ?
Just read the first three pages and then skip forward to July 2022 when I introduce the new turntable and make turntable comparisons. The rest is arguing about the thread title.
I do agree with Peter that the best way to deliver sarcastic remarks and humor is with a straight face, no emojis
You would be a great marketing strategist peter.
You ve got everybody talking about your product ( System)
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And you do that very well! Unfortunately, not everyone understands dry British humor.
TLDR1: Listen to live classical, use auditory template as reference, judge other components that way. Call it natural sound.
TLDR2: What if those not listening to live acoustic have a different natural
TLDR3: Lamm, Ching cheng produce TLDR1
TLDR4: David
TLDR5: Harry Pearson
TLDR6: Pinpoint, Black background, toe-in is not required
TLDR7: As 2000, micro seiki
TLDR 8 – 50: Repeat, review, challenge TLDR 1 - 7
Yes, forget the nonsense jokes. Here it is:
What is Natural Sound?
Hearing David’s four systems play music over seven days allowed me to understand the qualities of a “Natural Sound” system. I came up with this list to describe what I heard.
- No aspect of the sound calls attention to itself
- The sound is balanced
- The system sound is absent from the presentation
- Wide listening window: able to enjoy most/all genres of music
- Portrays the character of each recording, nuanced venue information
- Allows a wide range of volume adjustment for what is most appropriate for a particular recording and still be engaged
- Superior information retrieval
- Natural resolution, not “detail”
- Able to scale up and down, large to small
- No “sound”, only music
- Room is energized and music is “alive”
- Enjoyable outside of listening sweet spot
- Images are stable as listener moves around the room
- Draws listener into the music
- Relaxing, zero fatigue
- Open, effortless, and dynamic sound
- No need to crank the volume
- No added or artificial extension
- No analysis of the sound into bits and pieces, music experienced as a whole
- Result is beauty and emotion.
After spending a week listening to David’s system and grasping the true meaning of Natural Sound, I have moved away from the Audiophile Glossary of Terms. Reading reviews and trying to replicate the sonic attributes of the “Absolute Sound” in my old system gave me a sense of achievement and progress, but I now think this approach led me astray. I lost the music along the way. Until I began my eighteen months of set up experiments, I was developing a more and more Hifi sound from my system and ultimately becoming less satisfied as a result.
After Utah, I realized I had to forget about hifi attributes, the glossary of terms, and breaking the music into “bits and pieces.” I needed to get back to hearing the music as it is presented in the concert hall. I wanted to experience the music’s power, its meaning, its gestalt.
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Great info, thanks .
But I'm not sure what is the exact definition of what you have described .
Some would call that natural sound ,some *neutral* sound or maybe even realistic sound.
But I know exactly what you mean beause you know it when you experience it , everything just sounds right and that's basically the holy grail in audio ( to me at least )
Yes. You get it. Now comes the hard part: selecting the right gear and setting it up properly to achieve an experience which reminds you of listening to live music. It is a singular approach with a specific target.
@AudioGod , read DDK's subforum where he introduces himself and talks about natural sound and the 5 Beyond Turntables. Some of the Utah visit threads are also wonderful reads: Marty's, Steve's, Ron's. There is some great information in those.
Absolutely fabulous pics Peter, so iphone so defo not analogue but figuring given the natural mode of things you also didn’t photoshop them… such a beautiful scene, those clouds over the ocean are awesome.
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