Natural Sound

[PeterA]

Peter, why are you often trying to play the victim? No one is harassing you about your system but people will comment on what they hear and if they think it’s good or not so good. If it’s close to a file or ripped vinyl as well as other systems…have you really thought about why you post videos?

Is it to get honest feedback that might help it improve your system or is it in the hopes to get validation of your choices or ??

Not a victim, Brad. I post videos to share what I’m doing with my system on my system thread. It has nothing to do with validation. I explained before that this thread is my blog and a way for me to try to articulate my thoughts about what I am doing and to document changes. I have learned in the process.

Years ago when I was asked by the owner for my thoughts about what would make the website more interesting, I suggested an option to have system threads closed to commentary. That way the thread would be a few pages long and a simple document that people could read and find information quickly. Essays photographs and videos for sharing purposes only. That suggestion was rejected.

 

[tima]

Peter, why are you often trying to play the victim? No one is harassing you about your system but people will comment on what they hear and if they think it’s good or not so good. If it’s close to a file or ripped vinyl as well as other systems…have you really thought about why you post videos?

Is it to get honest feedback that might help it improve your system or is it in the hopes to get validation of your choices or ??

Can't say I agree with this. Several commenters have no interest in Peter's system or his videos. You are being naive if you don't recognize the disingenuous character from Resnick and Al M with gotcha questions about the consistency of Peter's views. It is personal for them and it has a history you may not know about. Wrangling about digital and YouTube has no learning value. Show us the positive contributions, Brad, about improving Peter's system. Knowing him as I do, pretty sure Peter needs no validation from the group here.

What's the motivation behind your message?

 

[tima]

All of the system videos sound compromised compared to the YouTube source versions. I suspect the yt sources are far more accurate to the recordings and serve as better reference.

Using a YouTube video as a reference -- I suppose that's a hobby for some. YouTube, the new absolute sound!

 

[Rexp]

Let's take a step back.

LMR-Miguel posted comparisons of vinyl versus digital recordings off the outputs of each source:

The differences between sources are minimal when compared to the difference between a source recording and any system recording. Claiming otherwise is simply preposterous.

All of the system videos sound compromised compared to the YouTube source versions. I suspect the yt sources are far more accurate to the recordings and serve as better reference.

Firstly, this video is comparing direct capture from the pre amp outs no 'official' YouTube vids involved.
Secondly the digital version of this album sounds pretty good so one would have to listen over a longer period to determine whether it's as satisfying as the vinyl.
Thirdly 'official' YouTube vids are not a reliable reference.

 

[Argonaut]

Using a YouTube video as a reference -- I suppose that's a hobby for some. YouTube, the new absolute sound!

Which medium seems to serve you well enough on these here forums …when it suits you that is !

 

[Al M.]

Can't say I agree with this. Several commenters have no interest in Peter's system or his videos. You are being naive if you don't recognize the disingenuous character from Resnick and Al M with gotcha questions about the consistency of Peter's views. It is personal for them and it has a history you may not know about. Wrangling about digital and YouTube has no learning value. Show us the positive contributions, Brad, about improving Peter's system. Knowing him as I do, pretty sure Peter needs no validation from the group here.

What's the motivation behind your message?

Wow, you are quick to assign motives and to complain about disingenuous character, Tim. Since when is an intellectual allergy against logical inconsistencies "personal"? If I remember correctly, in the past I have pointed to inconsistencies on similar issues, when it came to appreciating the advertised great sound of vinyl through digital video files, in the arguments of other people whom I do not know personally.

As far as "gotcha" questions go: For people willing to honestly deal with the issues there is no such thing as a "gotcha" question. I don't remember ever having felt trapped in one.

(Edit reason: grammar)

 

[Rexp]

Using a YouTube video as a reference -- I suppose that's a hobby for some. YouTube, the new absolute sound!

I think you need to use the term 'official YouTube video' some poor folks here seem not to understand your point even though it's obvious.

 

[PeterA]

Using a YouTube video as a reference -- I suppose that's a hobby for some. YouTube, the new absolute sound!

Tim, I think you have just identified another audio file goal for Ron to add to his list of goals so he can categorize and understand everyone’s approach.

5. To curate a HIEND system to sound like an official YouTube recording, the reference and absolute sound.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Using a YouTube video as a reference -- I suppose that's a hobby for some. YouTube, the new absolute sound!

now that's a rat hole.

but knock yourself out. where's the popcorn?

 

[tima]

now that's a rat hole.

but knock yourself out. where's the popcorn?

Heh. Let's put the popcorn around the hole and the rats will come out.

Karmelli
AS2000
Karmelli

 

[wil]

The YouTube source recording plus the one of the white turntable direct phono output sound to me like MF’s OMA K3 video. They do not sound like music to me. They sound thin and flat. They lack body and weight, and tonal richness. They do not engage me or remind me of the sound of music. Just my opinion.

I haven't listened to the Spinning Wheel recordings as I've been committed for decades to banishing all long term ear-worm memory of Chicago recordings. So I'll take your word YT source recording sounds "thin and flat."

But, based on several other YT source recordings I've heard over the months on this site, I believe they sound better than any of the in-room phone recordings, which to my ears, mostly sound compromised by distracting room resonances.

This is not to say I presume those room resonances are distracting when listening to the system in person, or that in-room videos can't provide useful information when compared to other in-room videos.

 

[hopkins]

But, based on several other YT source recordings I've heard over the months on this site, I believe they sound better than any of the in-room phone recordings, which to my ears, mostly sound compromised by distracting room resonances.

+1. The way reflections are perceived in the room versus on a recording is different, and the listening position may not be the best recording position.

But I would assume that if these reflections are distracting on a recording, then it would probably be worth looking at some improvements to the room's acoustics.

 

[Argonaut]

+1. The way reflections are perceived in the room versus on a recording is different, and the listening position may not be the best recording position.

But I would assume that if these reflections are distracting on a recording, then it would probably be worth looking at some improvements to the room's acoustics.

Planks … Needs Random Planks

 

[hopkins]

No worries, you can find much worse recordings.

Great set (especially the first three songs), but one of the worst recordings ever - I believe it was in a club. Unfortunately there were no iPhones in 1964 Had there been, imagine the possibilities...

But wait, would the vinyl version sound better than this YouTube video ?

- End of parenthesis -

 

[Rexp]

I haven't listened to the Spinning Wheel recordings as I've been committed for decades to banishing all long term ear-worm memory of Chicago recordings. So I'll take your word YT source recording sounds "thin and flat."

But, based on several other YT source recordings I've heard over the months on this site, I believe they sound better than any of the in-room phone recordings, which to my ears, mostly sound compromised by distracting room resonances.

This is not to say I presume those room resonances are distracting when listening to the system in person, or that in-room videos can't provide useful information when compared to other in-room videos.

You changed your mind?
Post in thread 'Videos of Acoustically-Coupled Audio Recordings' https://www.whatsbestforum.com/thre...ly-coupled-audio-recordings.28325/post-905058

 

[Rexp]

No worries, you can find much worse recordings.

Great set (especially the first three songs), but one of the worst recordings ever - I believe it was in a club. Unfortunately there were no iPhones in 1964 Had there been, imagine the possibilities...

But wait, would the vinyl version sound better than this YouTube video ?

- End of parenthesis -

Yes it probably would sound better, not sure what point(s) you're making.
Do you prefer the official YouTube version of Freddie Freeloader to this?

 

[hopkins]

Do you prefer the official YouTube version of Freddie Freeloader to this?

Yes, I prefer the official video of that track (even though it is the stereo version) but I am sure the analog tape would sound great if I heard it live (not on a crappy video).

You are focusing on a specific aspect of sound ("digital harshness") - as you have indicated repeatedly in a number of your posts. That's fine, we all have our little obsessions

 

[Rexp]

Yes, I prefer the official video of that track (even though it is the stereo version) but I am sure the analog tape would sound great if I heard it live (not on a crappy video).

You are focusing on a specific aspect of sound ("digital harshness") - as you have indicated repeatedly in a number of your posts. That's fine, we all have our little obsessions

What are you listening on? I find my android phone/headphones beats my laptop/headphones.
Also important not to use wifi which distorts the sound, at least in my case.

 

[wil]

You changed your mind?
Post in thread 'Videos of Acoustically-Coupled Audio Recordings' https://www.whatsbestforum.com/thre...ly-coupled-audio-recordings.28325/post-905058

In that case, I did like the in room recording best.

 

[PeterA]

In that case, I did like the in room recording best.

I also like some in room recordings better than the official YouTube video. So it seems it is possible for some people to prefer an actual system recording to the official YouTube file version with no system or room influence.

If it’s possible, and these are only opinions of fellow members, why is it so controversial that some members do not want to use the official YouTube video as a reference?