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I am sure your Zu's are as forgiving as a well-compensated trophy wife Marc, but there are other ways to do that too, some with a tad more resolution maybe
Vitavox checks a lot of boxes for me !
Marc, that is a very interesting way of describing what I am doing with this thread. I appreciate that you think what I am doing is fine for me.
I would be very interested in reading about your mantra for your synthetic music of choice. What speakers work besides your Zus? How do you judge the quality of your system by listening to electronic music? From where I sit, you seem to add more and more stuff to your system and room. You seem to search for more and more effect in the sounds. I am glad it is working for you. I would enjoy reading your process, your goals, and why you make the choices you do. Please start your own thread defining your "manifesto" and describing how you have achieved it. These are the kinds of threads I find interesting. We can learn much from them about how others approach the hobby we all love.
I do listen to some classic rock on occasion. The Vitavox sound great playing Pink Floyd. Haven't tried my LZ, Black Sabbath, or Deep Purple yet. Cream should be good. Cockteau Twins are excellent. So is Lord's LP with Royals. Don't own Kanye or Yes. Should never have sold my Blonde or Pretender LPs.
Do you think that another way of saying this is my hypothesis that, with enough speaker and system auditioning experience, eventually musical genre preference drives speaker preference?
PS: Peter firmly disagrees with my hypothesis, but I believe that Peter's system transformation actually is a solid data point for my hypothesis.
The point is to actually make a case for your approach to the hobby. I learned a lot by simply sitting down and trying to articulate my approach. That is what my two system threads are, and I would enjoy reading others doing something similar. It's easy to come here and critique without offering an alternative. Yes, videos would be fascinating, but few dare go there. Ron may visit you for his interviewing some day. System videos might be a part of those efforts. Now that would be really fun and revealing.
I foresee a materially different speaker in your future.
This is an interesting topic Ron, and one you and I have discussed. Define "eventually". One's last speaker when he listens mostly to one genre late in life?
The thing is that Tasos, Al M., Ian, and I all have pretty different speakers now, yet we all more or less enjoy the same music. More precisely, we listen to the same types of music - symphony, chamber, choral, jazz, and sometimes Rock - when we come over to hear each other's systems. Given your hypothesis, Tasos would listen mostly to girl with guitar like you, Ian would listen to rock and electronica, Al would listen to a mix, and I would listen mostly to horn based Jazz and some classical. That is not the case, hence my firm disagreement.
No, because dual woofer FLH will be suitable for classical, rock, jazz.
But at compromise levels, yes
Your hypothesis is valid only if you assume everyone made the right choice of system for their tastes. If they ended up with the wrong systems, they might still listen to their preferred genre, just not optimally.
Also, Martin Logans are very good on classical and jazz, not just girl on a guitar
Well Peter, I may give it a go. For me I have ABAd a lot of the changes I've made, and apart from a couple of high profile high worth items that had to go, I've demonstrated to my satisfaction that I've chosen well.
My journey is a somewhat different route from you, with sheer revelation of room acoustics.
And remember, I now have the most amazing hifi reference, Bill's uber analog/Mayer triodes/bespoke horns. Nothing I've heard in all my travels can touch his system for sheer unforced musicality and goodness. That's what my system is up against as a comparison.
I agree with the MLs sounding good on other genres. I was using Ron's notion as a former ML owner for many years to support his own hypothesis. His preference is girl w/ guitar and he will soon have new bigger panel speakers. The generalizations I wrote are based on what I think Ron has told me he thinks are speaker typology and genre matches. They are not my ideas.
Then, for me at least, they are then automatically disquaified from consideration as a "flawed" design.
You should definitey get some YES! At least up to "Close to the Edge" there is total genius there...and yes a natural system will make these good studio recordings sound very good.
Why is that Ron? You are assuming the Vitavox are preferrentially good only for acoustic music? It might be but until I heard them with electronica, hard rock etc. it would be tough to judge that.
Not this pair but I used other ones in my NY apartment for parties, electronica, rap, disco, rock, jazz, everything almost. This was in our rather large HT room which they did double duty as the greatest cinema speakers too. I don’t really know where music type speaker idea comes from, a speaker is either competent or not, it hears a signal doesn’t care about the genre.
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The reason Ron says this is, there are some girl on guitar speakers that cannot do complex or bassy music.
And there are some audiophiles who will have cones with subs that do boom boom bass for rock and electronica but the realism might be compromised for classical.
And there are some audiophiles who will have cones with subs that do boom boom bass for rock and electronica but the realism might be compromised for classical.
My Odeons are very flexible, despite not having really deep bass, because they have such an alive and punchy mid and upper bass. This means they work great with well recorded rock (poorly recorded rock sounds poor no matter what) and I really enjoy what they do with electronica. Then I can switch to my favorite ECM or ACT label jazz (or some classic stuff like Dizzy Gillespie and Chet Baker) and have all the natural tone and proper instrument tonal and dynamic envelope that one expects to hear live (my daughter plays trumpet so I get to hear that live now too).
Then I can effortlessly switch to chamber music, piano sonatas, quartets, quintets, piano trios etc. and finish off the day with larger works (love Tchaikovsky works) and not feel there is a significant letdown in quality. There are big differences in recording quality, so when I find a recording that is subpar, I search for another version and once a good one is found the quality is restored. The one area where my speakers fall down slight is with organ music due to lack of deep bass...after hearing organ concerts in Cathedrals around Europe (I got to hear one in Notre Dame a long time ago in Paris that was an eye opener!) I am keenly aware of what is missing from that music (we have a friend who actually spent years as an organ builder and he is very into music as well...he loves the sound of classical on my system (all he really listens to)).
The only speakers that I have owned before that were this well balanced were my big Acoustats...those were good for everything...including organ (they were flat to 20Hz in room) but they did have the same dynamic impact that the horns deliver.
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