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Does he have the footwork to be a 4-5 combo? Seeing 4s move to the 5 is common. Not so common the other way around.
 
Does he have the footwork to be a 4-5 combo? Seeing 4s move to the 5 is common. Not so common the other way around.

nothing in his career till now...well, they hired hakeem to tutor him some footworks. and if it fails, maybe they should contact some more ex-rockets..moses malone..ralph sampson, maybe even 'the whopper' billy paulz. :D
 
That's one. Anybody else?

4 to 5s (eventual starting position) of note

Hakeem, Duncan, Webber. Many more NOT of note.

Well, we have to go way back early 80s. Ralph Sampson was a 5 in college, 5 in his first year in Houston, but when the Rockets drafted Akeem back then, they moved him to 4.. and the rest was history.
 
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Well, we have to go way back early 80s. Ralph Sampson was a 5 in college, 5 in his first year in Houston, but when the Rockets drafted Akeem back then, they moved him to 4.. and the rest was history.

Wasn't it the other way around? I thought Sampson was the center and Hakeem moved positions after Ralph got injured and retired.

Stevie, Marc plays power forward as a starter?
 
Wasn't it the other way around? I thought Sampson was the center and Hakeem moved positions after Ralph got injured and retired.

Jack, IIRC during the 1986 Finals between Houston and Boston, I think Sampson was the 4 and Hakeem was 5. When Houston bagged Hakeem in the draft, the Rockets had to move Sampson to a 'new style of power forward from his original center position before Hakeem arrived. On the shift from 5 to 4 upon Hakeem's drafting, Houston guard John Lucas said of Sampson’s move to forward, "He’ll revolutionize the game."
 
That is so cool :D
 
Little BB humor today!

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The extended beard might be called for stepping on the line as well as traveling. :D
 
This one is for Phil........

Boston Celtics: Why Kevin Garnett Is the Most Hated Player in Team History

By Mark Evans | Yahoo! Contributor Network

COMMENTARY | The Boston Celtics are one of the most storied franchises in the NBA, with plenty of Hall of Fame players and 17 championships.
Some of the best players to ever play in the league have worn a Boston uniform at one point or another, including Larry Bird and Bill Russell. As is the case with every team, there are plenty of Celtics that have been hated by fans from other teams around the league.
At the top of that list is the screaming, head-bumping, trash-talking Kevin Garnett.
Anyone who watches Garnett knows that he brings the word intensity to an entirely new level. It's rare to see a player who's game is built mostly on skill, yelling and banging his head against the ball. It's one thing to see a hustle player do this, and it's another to see a superstar do it. The hate for Garnett starts at his borderline annoying intensity level, but there are plenty of other factors that make him the most hated player in Boston's history.
Trash talking is common in the NBA, as is the case with all professional sports. It's no surprise that as one of the league's most fiery players, Garnett is also one of the most notorious trash-talkers. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this, except for the fact that Garnett has reportedly taken it way too far a few times. We'll never know exactly how any of these situations really played out, but the fact that there are several of them makes you wonder what is going on in Garnett's head sometimes.
The Charlie Villanueva incident is a sore subject for many, and understandably so. In 2010, Villanueva accused Garnett of calling him a "cancer patient" during a game between the Celtics and Detroit Pistons. Villanueva has a medical condition that leads to hair loss, making this an extremely sore topic. While Garnett denied these were his words, many NBA fans lost a lot of respect for him. If true, Garnett clearly crossed the line by a mile here.
As if New York fans didn't like KG already, there was the incident with Carmelo Anthony during this past season. In the midst of yet another war of words during a game, KG and Melo got into it, and the situation even carried on after the game. Garnett allegedly brought LaLa Anthony into the trash talking, which enraged Melo. Much like the Villanueva incident, there is no way to know exactly what was said. However, in the eyes of fans, rumors are often enough to cause hatred.
Also, let's not forget the time that Garnett completely ignored Ray Allen after Allen joined the Miami Heat. After he left, there was plenty of chatter about the falling out between Allen and some members of the Celtics. Regardless of what really happened, Garnett had no interest in showing any love for his old teammate who he had won a ring with just a few years prior. Pretty cold, if you ask me.
If these incidents aren't enough, there are the constant reminders that KG is annoyingly passionate if he's not on your team. Watch this video if you would like a reminder of what I'm talking about. He goes so crazy sometimes that you can't help but wonder how mentally stable he is when there's a basketball in his hands.
There are certain players that are hated by almost every fan outside of his team's city. Garnett is the perfect example, and there are certainly even Boston fans who got fed up with his antics from time to time. It would be interesting to see how Celtics fans would have viewed Garnett if he had never brought a championship to town right away. As we all know, winning cures everything. I'm sure there are plenty of Brooklyn Nets fans who are currently trying to talk themselves into rooting for KG this coming season.
Kevin Garnett will not only be remembered as an all-time great and one of the biggest trash talkers, but also as the most hated player in Celtics history.
 
Boston Celtics Consider Hiring Two Former Fan-Favorites for Coaching Spot

By Justin Haskins | Yahoo! Contributor Network

COMMENTARY | It's no secret the Boston Celtics are still scouring the earth looking for former players to help round out the team's still-incomplete coaching staff.
Boston Globe reporter Gary Washburn tweeted Sunday, Aug. 18 that new head coach Brad Stevens was interested in hiring an assistant coach who had NBA experience and could build a relationship with All-Star point guard Rajon Rondo.
Reports that are now surfacing suggest that Boston may be getting close to hiring at least one former player who appears meet Stevens' requirements, and Celtics fans will be happy to hear the two leading names are former fan-favorites.
A key 2008 role player is considered
The name being thrown around most often is former Celtics small forward and defensive stalwart James Posey. According to ESPN.com's Jeff Goodman, Posey, a pivotal part of Boston's 2008 championship run, is possibly the top choice at this point for Stevens. Posey has made it clear that he is interested in coaching, even spending time working as an assistant with the Cleveland Cavaliers during this year's Las Vegas summer league.
James Posey makes a lot of sense as a future Celtics assistant coach. He not only played for the team and has a reputation for hard work and a focus on defense, but he also spent the entire 2007-2008 season with Rajon Rondo, a factor that appears to be important if the reports about Brad Stevens are true.
A second name in consideration
A second former player that has emerged as a frontrunner in the race for possibly the last open assistant coaching spot is former forward Walter McCarty, another favorite of Celtics fans. Comcast SportsNet's Greg Dickerson tweeted that McCarty has received serious consideration from coach Stevens, who reportedly invited McCarty to meet with him personally on two separate occasions to discuss the possibility of joining the staff "in some capacity."
McCarty, who played most of his career for the Celtics as a role player, was known for his passion for the game and the occasional corner 3-pointer. Interestingly, he has spent the last three seasons as an assistant coach for college legend Rick Pitino at the University of Louisville.
Posey, McCarty or both?
Most reports seem to suggest that either Posey or McCarty will be hired, but not both. However, if the information available at this point in time is accurate, a case can be made for the possibility of both ex-Celtics joining Stevens' coaching staff. Posey has the advantage of playing with Rajon Rondo, but McCarty has real coaching experience in one of the premier college programs in the country under the tutelage of Pitino, another former Celtics head coach. Both players then seem to have something of real value to offer the young Boston team.
If only one spot is available for the job, I would expect McCarty to win out over Posey, who simply doesn't have the experience that McCarty does. Regardless of who gets the position, though, both candidates are good choices for Stevens, who will add at least one player with a lengthy NBA resume and a high degree of respect in the Boston area to his staff in the near future.
 
This one is for Phil........

Boston Celtics: Why Kevin Garnett Is the Most Hated Player in Team History

By Mark Evans | Yahoo! Contributor Network

COMMENTARY | The Boston Celtics are one of the most storied franchises in the NBA, with plenty of Hall of Fame players and 17 championships.
Some of the best players to ever play in the league have worn a Boston uniform at one point or another, including Larry Bird and Bill Russell. As is the case with every team, there are plenty of Celtics that have been hated by fans from other teams around the league.
At the top of that list is the screaming, head-bumping, trash-talking Kevin Garnett.
Anyone who watches Garnett knows that he brings the word intensity to an entirely new level. It's rare to see a player who's game is built mostly on skill, yelling and banging his head against the ball. It's one thing to see a hustle player do this, and it's another to see a superstar do it. The hate for Garnett starts at his borderline annoying intensity level, but there are plenty of other factors that make him the most hated player in Boston's history.
Trash talking is common in the NBA, as is the case with all professional sports. It's no surprise that as one of the league's most fiery players, Garnett is also one of the most notorious trash-talkers. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this, except for the fact that Garnett has reportedly taken it way too far a few times. We'll never know exactly how any of these situations really played out, but the fact that there are several of them makes you wonder what is going on in Garnett's head sometimes.
The Charlie Villanueva incident is a sore subject for many, and understandably so. In 2010, Villanueva accused Garnett of calling him a "cancer patient" during a game between the Celtics and Detroit Pistons. Villanueva has a medical condition that leads to hair loss, making this an extremely sore topic. While Garnett denied these were his words, many NBA fans lost a lot of respect for him. If true, Garnett clearly crossed the line by a mile here.
As if New York fans didn't like KG already, there was the incident with Carmelo Anthony during this past season. In the midst of yet another war of words during a game, KG and Melo got into it, and the situation even carried on after the game. Garnett allegedly brought LaLa Anthony into the trash talking, which enraged Melo. Much like the Villanueva incident, there is no way to know exactly what was said. However, in the eyes of fans, rumors are often enough to cause hatred.
Also, let's not forget the time that Garnett completely ignored Ray Allen after Allen joined the Miami Heat. After he left, there was plenty of chatter about the falling out between Allen and some members of the Celtics. Regardless of what really happened, Garnett had no interest in showing any love for his old teammate who he had won a ring with just a few years prior. Pretty cold, if you ask me.
If these incidents aren't enough, there are the constant reminders that KG is annoyingly passionate if he's not on your team. Watch this video if you would like a reminder of what I'm talking about. He goes so crazy sometimes that you can't help but wonder how mentally stable he is when there's a basketball in his hands.
There are certain players that are hated by almost every fan outside of his team's city. Garnett is the perfect example, and there are certainly even Boston fans who got fed up with his antics from time to time. It would be interesting to see how Celtics fans would have viewed Garnett if he had never brought a championship to town right away. As we all know, winning cures everything. I'm sure there are plenty of Brooklyn Nets fans who are currently trying to talk themselves into rooting for KG this coming season.
Kevin Garnett will not only be remembered as an all-time great and one of the biggest trash talkers, but also as the most hated player in Celtics history.

Well Steve, for the non-Celtics fans, yes. :)

But from the viewpoint of a Celtics fan like me, it's got to be Ray Allen. Never mind signing with 28 other teams, but he had to pick a hated rival like the Heat and nail in the 3 to save the kingship of James.
 
Boston Celtics Consider Hiring Two Former Fan-Favorites for Coaching Spot

By Justin Haskins | Yahoo! Contributor Network

COMMENTARY | It's no secret the Boston Celtics are still scouring the earth looking for former players to help round out the team's still-incomplete coaching staff.
Boston Globe reporter Gary Washburn tweeted Sunday, Aug. 18 that new head coach Brad Stevens was interested in hiring an assistant coach who had NBA experience and could build a relationship with All-Star point guard Rajon Rondo.
Reports that are now surfacing suggest that Boston may be getting close to hiring at least one former player who appears meet Stevens' requirements, and Celtics fans will be happy to hear the two leading names are former fan-favorites.
A key 2008 role player is considered
The name being thrown around most often is former Celtics small forward and defensive stalwart James Posey. According to ESPN.com's Jeff Goodman, Posey, a pivotal part of Boston's 2008 championship run, is possibly the top choice at this point for Stevens. Posey has made it clear that he is interested in coaching, even spending time working as an assistant with the Cleveland Cavaliers during this year's Las Vegas summer league.
James Posey makes a lot of sense as a future Celtics assistant coach. He not only played for the team and has a reputation for hard work and a focus on defense, but he also spent the entire 2007-2008 season with Rajon Rondo, a factor that appears to be important if the reports about Brad Stevens are true.
A second name in consideration
A second former player that has emerged as a frontrunner in the race for possibly the last open assistant coaching spot is former forward Walter McCarty, another favorite of Celtics fans. Comcast SportsNet's Greg Dickerson tweeted that McCarty has received serious consideration from coach Stevens, who reportedly invited McCarty to meet with him personally on two separate occasions to discuss the possibility of joining the staff "in some capacity."
McCarty, who played most of his career for the Celtics as a role player, was known for his passion for the game and the occasional corner 3-pointer. Interestingly, he has spent the last three seasons as an assistant coach for college legend Rick Pitino at the University of Louisville.
Posey, McCarty or both?
Most reports seem to suggest that either Posey or McCarty will be hired, but not both. However, if the information available at this point in time is accurate, a case can be made for the possibility of both ex-Celtics joining Stevens' coaching staff. Posey has the advantage of playing with Rajon Rondo, but McCarty has real coaching experience in one of the premier college programs in the country under the tutelage of Pitino, another former Celtics head coach. Both players then seem to have something of real value to offer the young Boston team.
If only one spot is available for the job, I would expect McCarty to win out over Posey, who simply doesn't have the experience that McCarty does. Regardless of who gets the position, though, both candidates are good choices for Stevens, who will add at least one player with a lengthy NBA resume and a high degree of respect in the Boston area to his staff in the near future.

But Posey also threw out an offer to stay with the Celtics and joined New Orleans for more money, that, right after winning a title and his ink on DVD he signed for Celtics fans had not even dried. :( Where are the Cousy's and Havlicek's ? :D And when that is compared to James, Wade and Bosh taking LESS money to win a title, the reverse is true for Posey, he took more money to NOT win a title elsewhere.
 
Why the Los Angeles Clippers Should Have Passed on Doc Rivers.......

Justin Haskins | Yahoo! Contributor Network

COMMENTARY | The Los Angeles Clippers hired head coach Doc Rivers to much fanfare over the offseason, but is Rivers worth everything the Clippers gave up for him?
In exchange for letting Doc out of his contract early, the Boston Celtics received an unprotected 2015 first-round pick, one that will likely be at the bottom end of the draft board. But this isn't all that Los Angeles gave up.

The opportunity cost of Doc Rivers
After the Clippers and Celtics reached a preliminary agreement on a trade that would have sent Rivers and All-Star Kevin Garnett to the Clippers as a package in exchange for Deandre Jordan and draft picks, NBA commissioner David Stern announced the league would veto such a deal because it was in violation of the collective bargaining agreement made between the National Basketball Players Association and the NBA.
As a result, any trade between Boston and Los Angeles that involved Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Doc Rivers in some kind of a package, even if broken up into two separate deals, would be nixed by the league. This put the Clippers in the difficult situation of having to choose between a deal that could have included Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett or one that included only Doc Rivers.
Rumors had already surfaced that the reason why former Clippers coach Vinny Del Negro was fired was primarily due to keep All-Star point guard Chris Paul happy and to prevent him from walking away from the team as a free agent. This drove the Clippers to determine that bringing in a premier head coach was the highest priority for their team. If it's true that Chris Paul was ready to walk if Doc Rivers wasn't hired, then you could certainly make the argument that doing whatever was necessary to keep Paul was the right move to make.
However, if the Clippers had the option of choosing between Doc Rivers or a package that could include Pierce and Garnett, then the Clippers erred greatly by choosing a high-priced coach in a league where veteran players on the court are more important than the man drawing up the plays.


The value of a coach
By choosing Doc Rivers over the possibility of Garnett and Pierce, Los Angeles showed that it highly overrates the value of a coach. While it's true that coaches can add a lot to a team, the evidence is overwhelming that coaches very rarely are the difference between teams that lose in the first round of the playoffs, like the Clippers did last year, and teams that win NBA championships.
Doc Rivers is a perfect example of why coaches are often not difference-makers. After Rivers' first season with Boston, the Celtics were a very respectable 45-37. Over the next two seasons, however, the team would actually get worse under Rivers each year, going 33-49 in 2005-2006 and 24-58 in 2006-2007. It wasn't until Boston brought in Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett that the team started winning, and, even then, the Celtics never performed as well as they did the first season the "Big Three" were together.

Even going back to his days running the Orlando Magic, where Rivers won NBA Coach of the Year in 1999-2000, the team seemed stuck in the mud over his four-year tenure there, winning between 41 games and 44 games every season. The Magic never seemed to get better and fired Rivers in 2003 after the team started off with a 1-11 record. In short, Rivers won when he had a great roster, did well with a good roster, mediocre with a mediocre roster, and his team performed poorly with a bad roster. Rivers won with winners and lost with losers, but he certainly didn't over-perform or take a team to the next level that didn't already have the talent to get there.

Rivers isn't the only example of this, of course. Larry Brown, a Hall of Fame coach, left the 2004-2005 Detroit Pistons after going to the NBA Finals to take the helm of the New York Knicks the following season, and he won only 23 games. Brown then left the Knicks immediately and took over the Charlotte Bobcats, where he went 79-85 over the next two seasons before being fired in the middle of the season after starting the year with a 9-19 record. Even the Hall of Famer Brown couldn't win unless he had great talent.

Then there is the case of the Clippers' own former coach, Vinny Del Negro, who progressively improved the team each season he was in Los Angeles, getting fired after winning 56 games. I agree that Rivers is a better coach than Del Negro, but how much better could he really be than a guy who won 68% of the games he coached in 2012-2013? Rivers will make the Clippers better, but he won't make them a championship team.
Why the Clippers should have traded for Pierce and Garnett instead

Pierce and Garnett would have been bigger additions to the Clippers and would have made them championship contenders immediately. If Los Angeles did make a deal with the Celtics for Garnett and Pierce, it probably would have involved two first-round picks, Deandre Jordan and Caron Butler. Other players may also have been needed in the deal to resolve salary cap issues, but those four players in addition to the picks would have likely been the central part of the deal.

If the Clippers had made this deal instead of getting Rivers, they would have ended up with a legitimate perimeter scorer who is not only a shooting threat, but who is also a guy who can still get to the basket when he needs to. They would also have benefited greatly from Garnett's leadership, especially on the defensive end of the floor. The combination of Garnett, Pierce, Blake Griffin and Chris Paul would have been downright scary when the playoffs start, and I doubt very highly that they would have lost a step by hiring a guy like Brian Shaw, now head coach of the Denver Nuggets, instead of Rivers.
Clippers fans who support the Rivers move often argue that because Pierce and Garnett are older players with only two or three seasons left, it didn't make sense for the Clippers to give up young talent and draft picks to get them. But when you think about it, the Clippers did end up trading away young guard Eric Bledsoe, veteran Caron Butler, a first-round pick and a second-round pick to end up with Doc Rivers, J.J. Redick and Jared Dudley.
 
Why the Los Angeles Clippers Should Have Passed on Doc Rivers.......

Justin Haskins | Yahoo! Contributor Network

COMMENTARY | The Los Angeles Clippers hired head coach Doc Rivers to much fanfare over the offseason, but is Rivers worth everything the Clippers gave up for him?
In exchange for letting Doc out of his contract early, the Boston Celtics received an unprotected 2015 first-round pick, one that will likely be at the bottom end of the draft board. But this isn't all that Los Angeles gave up.

The opportunity cost of Doc Rivers
After the Clippers and Celtics reached a preliminary agreement on a trade that would have sent Rivers and All-Star Kevin Garnett to the Clippers as a package in exchange for Deandre Jordan and draft picks, NBA commissioner David Stern announced the league would veto such a deal because it was in violation of the collective bargaining agreement made between the National Basketball Players Association and the NBA.
As a result, any trade between Boston and Los Angeles that involved Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Doc Rivers in some kind of a package, even if broken up into two separate deals, would be nixed by the league. This put the Clippers in the difficult situation of having to choose between a deal that could have included Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett or one that included only Doc Rivers.
Rumors had already surfaced that the reason why former Clippers coach Vinny Del Negro was fired was primarily due to keep All-Star point guard Chris Paul happy and to prevent him from walking away from the team as a free agent. This drove the Clippers to determine that bringing in a premier head coach was the highest priority for their team. If it's true that Chris Paul was ready to walk if Doc Rivers wasn't hired, then you could certainly make the argument that doing whatever was necessary to keep Paul was the right move to make.
However, if the Clippers had the option of choosing between Doc Rivers or a package that could include Pierce and Garnett, then the Clippers erred greatly by choosing a high-priced coach in a league where veteran players on the court are more important than the man drawing up the plays.


The value of a coach
By choosing Doc Rivers over the possibility of Garnett and Pierce, Los Angeles showed that it highly overrates the value of a coach. While it's true that coaches can add a lot to a team, the evidence is overwhelming that coaches very rarely are the difference between teams that lose in the first round of the playoffs, like the Clippers did last year, and teams that win NBA championships.
Doc Rivers is a perfect example of why coaches are often not difference-makers. After Rivers' first season with Boston, the Celtics were a very respectable 45-37. Over the next two seasons, however, the team would actually get worse under Rivers each year, going 33-49 in 2005-2006 and 24-58 in 2006-2007. It wasn't until Boston brought in Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett that the team started winning, and, even then, the Celtics never performed as well as they did the first season the "Big Three" were together.

Even going back to his days running the Orlando Magic, where Rivers won NBA Coach of the Year in 1999-2000, the team seemed stuck in the mud over his four-year tenure there, winning between 41 games and 44 games every season. The Magic never seemed to get better and fired Rivers in 2003 after the team started off with a 1-11 record. In short, Rivers won when he had a great roster, did well with a good roster, mediocre with a mediocre roster, and his team performed poorly with a bad roster. Rivers won with winners and lost with losers, but he certainly didn't over-perform or take a team to the next level that didn't already have the talent to get there.

Rivers isn't the only example of this, of course. Larry Brown, a Hall of Fame coach, left the 2004-2005 Detroit Pistons after going to the NBA Finals to take the helm of the New York Knicks the following season, and he won only 23 games. Brown then left the Knicks immediately and took over the Charlotte Bobcats, where he went 79-85 over the next two seasons before being fired in the middle of the season after starting the year with a 9-19 record. Even the Hall of Famer Brown couldn't win unless he had great talent.

Then there is the case of the Clippers' own former coach, Vinny Del Negro, who progressively improved the team each season he was in Los Angeles, getting fired after winning 56 games. I agree that Rivers is a better coach than Del Negro, but how much better could he really be than a guy who won 68% of the games he coached in 2012-2013? Rivers will make the Clippers better, but he won't make them a championship team.
Why the Clippers should have traded for Pierce and Garnett instead

Pierce and Garnett would have been bigger additions to the Clippers and would have made them championship contenders immediately. If Los Angeles did make a deal with the Celtics for Garnett and Pierce, it probably would have involved two first-round picks, Deandre Jordan and Caron Butler. Other players may also have been needed in the deal to resolve salary cap issues, but those four players in addition to the picks would have likely been the central part of the deal.

If the Clippers had made this deal instead of getting Rivers, they would have ended up with a legitimate perimeter scorer who is not only a shooting threat, but who is also a guy who can still get to the basket when he needs to. They would also have benefited greatly from Garnett's leadership, especially on the defensive end of the floor. The combination of Garnett, Pierce, Blake Griffin and Chris Paul would have been downright scary when the playoffs start, and I doubt very highly that they would have lost a step by hiring a guy like Brian Shaw, now head coach of the Denver Nuggets, instead of Rivers.
Clippers fans who support the Rivers move often argue that because Pierce and Garnett are older players with only two or three seasons left, it didn't make sense for the Clippers to give up young talent and draft picks to get them. But when you think about it, the Clippers did end up trading away young guard Eric Bledsoe, veteran Caron Butler, a first-round pick and a second-round pick to end up with Doc Rivers, J.J. Redick and Jared Dudley.

Very good read. It actually makes a lot of sense. That's what I have been feeling all along when I said that Pierce and Garnet going to an already 'sound' Nets team is a very good thing for the Nets. But most probably, the Clips management had to consult 'coach and GM' Chris Paul for the final decision. :D
 

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