New Think Piece From Roy Gregory

[Elliot G.]

I'd bet Wilson more in a week than you sold all year. That's great writing and great championing of a brand!

I dont think that has anything to do with Roy Gregory. Wilson has been in business a lot longer and is certainly more well known that our speakers.
They also have 40 or so dealers that all have made serious financial commitments . We dont have that and have been in the US around 4 years , two of which were Covid . Your theory really doenst hold water.
I do not think that any review for speakers or other gear at approx 6 figures makes the clients run to buy them.
The market is very different today than 20 years ago.
I do think that the verbiage you use to insult and degrade others is not useful at all. You are entiotled to your opinions but your depiction of others is really uncalled for and without merit.
Your opinion is just that an opinion and you have less credentials than RG or anyone else you insult.

 

[caesar]

I dont think that has anything to do with Roy Gregory. Wilson has been in business a lot longer and is certainly more well known that our speakers.
They also have 40 or so dealers that all have made serious financial commitments . We dont have that and have been in the US around 4 years , two of which were Covid . Your theory really doenst hold water.
I do not think that any review for speakers or other gear at approx 6 figures makes the clients run to buy them.
The market is very different today than 20 years ago.
I do think that the verbiage you use to insult and degrade others is not useful at all. You are entiotled to your opinions but your depiction of others is really uncalled for and without merit.
Your opinion is just that an opinion and you have less credentials than RG or anyone else you insult.

This is a subjective hobby. Everyone has opinion.

When you submit your speaker , which sounds much better than Wilson, to a review, you expect the guy to differentiate it from the competition. This helps to break through the band wagon effect of wilson you describe. Roy has failed you. And Roy has failed to make this hobby better

 

[caesar]

And Elliot, one more thing: if you and others who are so close to the situation and don't' realize how disgusting this industry is, while calling me names. I sincerely feel sorry for you guys

 

[Elliot G.]

This is a subjective hobby. Everyone has opinion.

When you submit your speaker , which sounds much better than Wilson, to a review, you expect the guy to differentiate it from the competition. This helps to break through the band wagon effect of wilson you describe. Roy has failed you. And Roy has failed to make this hobby better

Roy and all the other reviewers express their opinions. I think that Roy is an excellent listener and reviewer however that doesn't mean that he is the sole opinion and that everyone agrees with him. Obviously you dont.
We just visited Robert Harley and his review on our product is coming out in the next issue. I respect Robert and find him thoughtful and very experienced. I don't think you care for him either if my memory serves me correctly. I respect and like John Atkinson as well. I have spent some time with all of these gentlemen and respect what they say and do.
JUst becasue you have a different opinion does not make you correct and more importantly it does not give you the right to defame them over their opinions. This is the internet where trolls hiding behind a avatar can be rude and disrespectful.
If you wont say it to their face then you should not say it at all!

 

[Steve williams]

Not sure where I see Elliot calling you names but FWIW I have yet to see any thread started by you or one in which you comment is laced with nothing but abhorrent name calling. All while you live in anonymity. Put your face where your mouth is and give yourself some credibility which you seem to chase by attempting to destroy others.

 

[Ron Resnick]

I just noticed, Caesar, that you list nothing in your About section. Why don’t you list your components so we will have a better idea from where your opinions about components and sound come?

If you don’t do that, at the very least, you really have no business trashing anybody about anything.

 

[Steve williams]

I just noticed, Caesar, that you list nothing in your About section. Why don’t you list your components so we will have a better idea from where your opinions about components and sound come?

If you don’t do that, at the very least, you really have no business trashing anybody about anything.

It's his M.O. Ron. He lives in complete anonymity

 

[PeterA]

Some members take a lot of heat and have their own style. I happen to agree with a lot of what Cesar writes about the industry. It’s a great hobby with a lot of personalities and angles. Members are free to remain anonymous if they choose.

Cesar reminds me of the character in the great Charleston Heston movie about time travel and crashing back on earth. It is a refreshing perspective.

 

[tima]

A bit? You are being generous! In fact, after we filter the usual divagations - nice to read Rolex versus Swatch in place of the typical Rolex versus Casio - there is less real content than in our own threads in WBF about the main subject.

We have covered same or similar ground across the fractious collective but who here could singularly create such a piece? It is no surprise to find some are not an audience for him.

 

[tima]

Cesar reminds me of the character in the great Charleston Heston movie about time travel and crashing back on earth. It is a refreshing perspective.

Dr. Zaius ?

 

[BruceD]

Oh Dear me! does anyone want to be Brutus?

Sorry C

BruceD

 

[Steve williams]

Et tu Brute

 

[andromedaaudio]

I think its kinda hard for reviewers.
The new products that come out , often sound the same as previous models or sometimes just worse .
Some good exceptions are there as well
I reckon it gets kinda hard to put a cherry on top of the cake everytime.
Most reviews are just magazine fill to keep the industry going.
Nothing wrong with that also, it happens in every industry .


Ps Stopped reading mags long time ago, best is to listen to gear you re interested in yourself

 

[heihei]

I find Roy's reviews thoughtful and well-written, particularly on speakers. It helps that I own a speaker he has reviewed, and so I'm able to understand his perspectives / likes / dislikes. In that way, I can key into his reviews of other speakers and get a good sense of how they sound based off what he says.

 

[zerostargeneral]

Did you know Charleston's middle name was foxtrot?

Kindest regards,G.

 

[tima]

Did you know Charleston's middle name was foxtrot?

Kindest regards,G.

His first is actually Charlton but that didn't stop him from doing the two-step.

 

[zerostargeneral]

Dear Sir,

Post number 30 contained the extraneous "S", I guess it must be late over there?

Kindest regards,G.

 

[Jeffy]

Do you think Caesar is really Romy The Cat?

 

[Elliot G.]

And Elliot, one more thing: if you and others who are so close to the situation and don't' realize how disgusting this industry is, while calling me names. I sincerely feel sorry for you guys

Its your opinion that the Industry is disgusting, it is not everyones. I happen to be in the Industry for 50 years and I assure you I know far more about it than you do. I know the ugly places and the players that are to be avoided. I don't however paint everyone with the same brush as you do except for what you believe is correct. I think you should try to realize that you don't know everything and to quote Dirty Harry "a man has to know his limitations"
I have no issue with your opinions( although I don't usually agree with anything you write) however your trashing and demeaning those who you select becasue you don't agree is uncalled for.
Painting all that are not Caesar with the same brush is ignorant and rude.

 

[sbnx]

I read all of Roy's articles & reviews over on GY8. He clearly puts in the time and effort to write a well thought out review. I happen to align with much of his philosophy on audio success. Clearly, not everyone here does. (Recall the discussion about having to reposition your speakers when you change your amplifier.)

Roy's journey seems to be much more about finding components that have extreme musical engagement. Rather than spend all of his efforts just trying to describe how a component sounds he is trying to describe what the component does to musical engagement/enjoyment. This is very different from what typical reviews do (and especially the ones on youtube). They say things like -- the bass is full or mushy or bloated, the highs shimmer, the mids are silky, there is good resolution, etc, etc. These things relate to specral balance and frequency. These types of descriptors will tell you generally how a component "sounds". They will not tell you how the component is going to play music.

I think this is why he spent that large amount of time in the article describing his review process and why that part is extremely relevant to the topic/title of the article 'sound vs. music'. One can tick all of the audiophile boxes and still end up with music that is simply not engaging and boring to listen to. So he goes into excrutiating detail on what that component is doing to various pieces of music.

IMHO, comparing components is a tricky thing for reviewers. This is why most don't go into that space and when they do they tread lightly. One can't go around p_$$ing all over various brands and expect to stay working in this industry for very long.