New Wadax Atlantis Reference Dac
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Very interesting to read. Thank you for taking the time to write. Look forward to hearing if you ever have the Wadax in your own reference system. As one of your 'tools' for designing/production, I would be curious to know if the Wadax proves to be an even better reference than the legendary Vivaldi 4-stack (I have heard it but not with the Mutec you reference).
Well actually, I did have several articles published (years ago) in HiFi Critic, and have worked as a professional writer.
My favourite reviewer has always been Martin Colloms, who structures a review in such a way that it is relatively easy to extract the information that you want.
I do like Michael Fremer's reviews because I always get the feeling that he is being genuine, and he also gets his message across in a clear and concise way.
I was an early subscriber to Roy Gregory's Hifi Plus in the late 90's and did not mind his reviews. However, in recent years, I find him like so many reviewers to be over verbose, rambling and long winded.
I have to admit that I have become some what cynical about the hobby, with reviewers having to invent new prose for ever more expensive audio jewellery.
Typically a reviewer will sell his work to the publisher because the publisher wants sole rights.
What's in your system, caeser?
I have 4, to get different emotional takes on the music, including a bi-amped MBL 101 system with a tubed CAT preamp for extra emotion, Soundlab VTL , Zu with Audion Golden Night 300B , smaller B&W 2 way system. I'd also get a horn system, like Avantgarde, or something like that, if I had an extra free room in my house... I have been temped to take over one of my wife's rooms... move all her sh!t to the side , etc..., but if I got more audio equipment, she'd come at me with a sharpened butcher knife
Thanks for the clarification and I believe we all become cynical about reviews (and most reviewers) the longer we are in this hobby.
As a former reviewer myself (Positive Feedback) I too always appreciated Martin Colloms reviews...he knows how to get to the point while keeping interest. Roy just drives me nuts to read as does Srajan from 6moons. Fremer I am not sure about... he seems genuine an yet some of his conclusions seem contradictory...especially with tube gear reviews.
You'll know she's really po'd when the knife is dull.
Thanks for the systems list - that's a lot of gear.
Elliot G.
Industry Expert
Now with psychology out of the way, let's talk some economics :
- From a product stand point, has anyone been able to explain in non-technical , marketing language why this DAC is different/ better than FPGA dcs, top ladder dacs like TotalDAC, msb, top tube dacs like Lampizator and Jadis? Why don't you read their website and design and technology statements?
- From a price point, this DAC is $140K or something like that. Why is this DAC priced at $140K ? obviously it's irrational to price luxury price low as no one will take them seriously. Why not price at $175K if it's truly "transformational"? MSB , which has been recently loved by Yoda Valin (Soulution is best now?) and given product of the year is only $135K. ... And if a guy just bought MSB and has to sell it for roughly 50 percent off, what does he get extra for spending that $70K? The DAC is 145,000 and what does that have to do with anything other than
- I discussed the influence of Neil Grobbers / "audio journalists" before, but again, people look to authority figures in a state of confusion due to overwhelming choice ... dCS and MSB have had a huge reviewer blitz with their DAcs. Wilson guys live dcs. Magico guys love MSB for its musicality.... But most reviewers just follow the herd , which further helps entrench the more successful brands.... Neil Grobbers recently claimed that dcs bartok is better than vinyl.. nauseationg and disgusting....
- why is the US distributor so mediocre? it's the big, big lady from Canada , the one with the charming personality. Avantgarde recently tried to dump her... if this dacis so great, why isn't there a top notch distributor , like Philip O'Hanlon, dealing with this?
- And how many dealers carry this product? What else do they carry? What brand do they favor/ feature in their top systems? Doesn't seem like MSB and dCS dealers are touching this, understandably. But these are the brands that have benefited from bandwagon effects.
- How many rooms at shows will have this DAC? and will anyone be able to differentiate the sound of the dac from the overall system if they get to hear it at a show?
Luxury and entertainment industries are bound to bandwagon effects... The bandwagon effect is where popular brands become even more popular as people gain knowledge of them from their friends, experienced influencers, dealers, online boards, show reports , “audio journalists “, etc. What this means is that people’s tastes converge on select few brands rather than be dispersed across the assortment of available offerings. We see this with popular music and movies all the time, and here we see MSB, dCS, TotalDac, and Lampizator as passionately discussed by the fans and owners and getting the sales in this upper price bracket (social proof influence force acting on us). There may be many excellent products out there, including this one, but they just don't get the oxygen. And even less, thanks to the disgusting marketing of this product so far.
Sincere good luck to the dealers carrying it, as only guys with knowledge of the hobby will get to hear it.
I could go on and on...
And you always do go and on and on...with your theories and assorted nonsense. First the DAC is 145,000 US dollars. Their is no distributor in the U.S. it is imported and sold directly by Wadax. Three reviewers wrote and tried to describe what they heard and experienced and you of course know better, you who have not even heard the item. The DAC that Valin wrote about is not the top of the line MSB - just the facts boys and he is not even a digital guy and hasn't heard any of the contenders. By the way you are now an expert on distributors as well?
What you don't know about the business of audio and distribution is everything. I believer there are now at least 5 dealers for the Wadax Reference line. What other dealers carry is not now nor ever has been a recognition of anything other than what they have and what they are able to buy and support. It is very hard today for new products to get representation based on dollars and space. Most dealers are not able to carry multiple very expensive competing items.. PERIOD it is the same reasoning that Mercedes and BMW for example are no longer sold in the same dealerships. Its bad business.
For you information I will be showing the DAC and Server at three major US shows this fall ( if they take place) RMAF, Axpona 2021 and CapFest. They will be shown with Göbel Divin Marquis speakers and cables, CH Electronics ( at RMAF) Kronos Discovery TT at Axpona and perhaps some other assorted items over the three different shows. I will reveal what I am using as we get closer to show time.
I stick to my thoughts about this DAC and its sound. The thing is Caesar I have it , listen to it and have heard many others, I don't make up the conspiracies that you do to discredit something that you know nothing about. I learned this industry from some of the best and AB stuff is not the only way to listen , its just what you expect and discredit anything that isn't done to appease your viewpoint.
:- From a product stand point, has anyone been able to explain in non-technical , marketing language why this DAC is different/ better than FPGA dcs, top ladder dacs like TotalDAC, msb, top tube dacs like Lampizator and Jadis? Why don't you read their website and design and technology statements?
- From a price point, this DAC is $140K or something like that. Why is this DAC priced at $140K ? obviously it's irrational to price luxury price low as no one will take them seriously. Why not price at $175K if it's truly "transformational"? MSB , which has been recently loved by Yoda Valin (Soulution is best now?) and given product of the year is only $135K. ... And if a guy just bought MSB and has to sell it for roughly 50 percent off, what does he get extra for spending that $70K? The DAC is 145,000 and what does that have to do with anything other than
- I discussed the influence of Neil Grobbers / "audio journalists" before, but again, people look to authority figures in a state of confusion due to overwhelming choice ... dCS and MSB have had a huge reviewer blitz with their DAcs. Wilson guys live dcs. Magico guys love MSB for its musicality.... But most reviewers just follow the herd , which further helps entrench the more successful brands.... Neil Grobbers recently claimed that dcs bartok is better than vinyl.. nauseationg and disgusting....
- why is the US distributor so mediocre? it's the big, big lady from Canada , the one with the charming personality. Avantgarde recently tried to dump her... if this dacis so great, why isn't there a top notch distributor , like Philip O'Hanlon, dealing with this?
- And how many dealers carry this product? What else do they carry? What brand do they favor/ feature in their top systems? Doesn't seem like MSB and dCS dealers are touching this, understandably. But these are the brands that have benefited from bandwagon effects.
- How many rooms at shows will have this DAC? and will anyone be able to differentiate the sound of the dac from the overall system if they get to hear it at a show?
Luxury and entertainment industries are bound to bandwagon effects... The bandwagon effect is where popular brands become even more popular as people gain knowledge of them from their friends, experienced influencers, dealers, online boards, show reports , “audio journalists “, etc. What this means is that people’s tastes converge on select few brands rather than be dispersed across the assortment of available offerings. We see this with popular music and movies all the time, and here we see MSB, dCS, TotalDac, and Lampizator as passionately discussed by the fans and owners and getting the sales in this upper price bracket (social proof influence force acting on us). There may be many excellent products out there, including this one, but they just don't get the oxygen. And even less, thanks to the disgusting marketing of this product so far.
Sincere good luck to the dealers carrying it, as only guys with knowledge of the hobby will get to hear it.
I could go on and on...
Now with psychology out of the way, let's talk some economics
- From a product stand point, has anyone been able to explain in non-technical , marketing language why this DAC is different/ better than FPGA dcs, top ladder dacs like TotalDAC, msb, top tube dacs like Lampizator and Jadis?
- From a price point, this DAC is $140K or something like that. Why is this DAC priced at $140K ? obviously it's irrational to price luxury price low as no one will take them seriously. Why not price at $175K if it's truly "transformational"? MSB , which has been recently loved by Yoda Valin (Soulution is best now?) and given product of the year is only $135K. ... And if a guy just bought MSB and has to sell it for roughly 50 percent off, what does he get extra for spending that $70K?
- I discussed the influence of Neil Grobbers / "audio journalists" before, but again, people look to authority figures in a state of confusion due to overwhelming choice ... dCS and MSB have had a huge reviewer blitz with their DAcs. Wilson guys live dcs. Magico guys love MSB for its musicality.... But most reviewers just follow the herd , which further helps entrench the more successful brands.... Neil Grobbers recently claimed that dcs bartok is better than vinyl.. nauseationg and disgusting....
- why is the US distributor so mediocre? it's the big, big lady from Canada , the one with the charming personality. Avantgarde recently tried to dump her... if this dacis so great, why isn't there a top notch distributor , like Philip O'Hanlon, dealing with this?
- And how many dealers carry this product? What else do they carry? What brand do they favor/ feature in their top systems? Doesn't seem like MSB and dCS dealers are touching this, understandably. But these are the brands that have benefited from bandwagon effects.
- How many rooms at shows will have this DAC? and will anyone be able to differentiate the sound of the dac from the overall system if they get to hear it at a show?
Luxury and entertainment industries are bound to bandwagon effects... The bandwagon effect is where popular brands become even more popular as people gain knowledge of them from their friends, experienced influencers, dealers, online boards, show reports , “audio journalists “, etc. What this means is that people’s tastes converge on select few brands rather than be dispersed across the assortment of available offerings. We see this with popular music and movies all the time, and here we see MSB, dCS, TotalDac, and Lampizator as passionately discussed by the fans and owners and getting the sales in this upper price bracket (social proof influence force acting on us). There may be many excellent products out there, including this one, but they just don't get the oxygen. And even less, thanks to the disgusting marketing of this product so far.
Sincere good luck to the dealers carrying it, as only guys with knowledge of the hobby will get to hear it.
I could go on and on...
And you always do go and on and on...with your theories and assorted nonsense. First the DAC is 145,000 US dollars. Their is no distributor in the U.S. it is imported and sold directly by Wadax. Three reviewers wrote and tried to describe what they heard and experienced and you of course know better, you who have not even heard the item. The DAC that Valin wrote about is not the top of the line MSB - just the facts boys and he is not even a digital guy and hasn't heard any of the contenders. By the way you are now an expert on distributors as well?
What you don't know about the business of audio and distribution is everything. I believer there are now at least 5 dealers for the Wadax Reference line. What other dealers carry is not now nor ever has been a recognition of anything other than what they have and what they are able to buy and support. It is very hard today for new products to get representation based on dollars and space. Most dealers are not able to carry multiple very expensive competing items.. PERIOD it is the same reasoning that Mercedes and BMW for example are no longer sold in the same dealerships. Its bad business.
For you information I will be showing the DAC and Server at three major US shows this fall ( if they take place) RMAF, Axpona 2021 and CapFest. They will be shown with Göbel Divin Marquis speakers and cables, CH Electronics ( at RMAF) Kronos Discovery TT at Axpona and perhaps some other assorted items over the three different shows. I will reveal what I am using as we get closer to show time.
I stick to my thoughts about this DAC and its sound. The thing is Caesar I have it , listen to it and have heard many others, I don't make up the conspiracies that you do to discredit something that you know nothing about. I learned this industry from some of the best and AB stuff is not the only way to listen , its just what you expect and discredit anything that isn't done to appease your viewpoint.
I don't see Gregory and 6moons as remotely similar. I've only read a couple of Gregory's reviews, but I thought they were well written and with meaningful content. Srajan, however is in his own very special universe. Yes, there is content, but to sift it out of his awkward, disorganized and painfully obtuse prose is a real chore.
A lovely system with same speakers than mine….
I bet the sun is yellow…
the sea is blue…
the grass is green…
and maybe one day…
you’ll aporte something to this thread…
I heard these speakers at a hifi show and was very impressed with them.I bet the sun is yellow…
the sea is blue…
the grass is green…
and maybe one day…
you’ll aporte something to this thread…
Yes. And every other thread too. Time to ignore.you’ll aporte something to this thread…
I dont get it.I bet the sun is yellow…
the sea is blue…
the grass is green…
and maybe one day…
you’ll aporte something to this thread…
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