Osama Bin Laden has been killed

Here is what I am shocked about: that a $1M would buy the kind of house he had. A million dollars in Pakistan in a remote town buys you what he got? I think he got ripped off. I think you can get a nicer house in LA than he did over there :).

not at all.

first, nobody in Pakistan will dare rip Osama bin Laden off

second, the property is expensive because it is coated with some exotic stealthing material called ADM (anti-detection magic, a byproduct of TUC's AVM) otherwise known as "lukaway" :cool:
 
I wonder where you live - everybody in the States?
I live in Switzerland; all over Europe, there is a big discussion going on, how legal this whole thing was.
I for one am wholly pacifistic, but exactly for this, I can imagine, that some people are not to be dealt with any other way, and I consider it a bit naive, that you could bring this guy to court.
But still it is worth thinking about it: Would it actually have done some good?

Not if you think in terms of USA vs Terrorist UBL

But if you would think, that you could put this guy in front of the international court in Den Haag, then that might actually have been neat, as you could have said "this guy is evil, what do you all think?"

But either the States will have to get much weaker, or much wiser - and in any case they would have to acknowledge the fact, there is an international court :)

In any case, lets hope, we can actually ONCE in a lifetime live a pacifistic version of behaviour.
 
I wonder where you live - everybody in the States?
I live in Switzerland; all over Europe, there is a big discussion going on, how legal this whole thing was.
I for one am wholly pacifistic, but exactly for this, I can imagine, that some people are not to be dealt with any other way, and I consider it a bit naive, that you could bring this guy to court.
But still it is worth thinking about it: Would it actually have done some good?

Not if you think in terms of USA vs Terrorist UBL

But if you would think, that you could put this guy in front of the international court in Den Haag, then that might actually have been neat, as you could have said "this guy is evil, what do you all think?"

But either the States will have to get much weaker, or much wiser - and in any case they would have to acknowledge the fact, there is an international court :)

In any case, lets hope, we can actually ONCE in a lifetime live a pacifistic version of behaviour.

Surely we would all like to sympathize with the sentiments expressed in your post. Anyone can live as a pacifist. Few are brave enough.
 
I wonder where you live - everybody in the States?
I live in Switzerland; all over Europe, there is a big discussion going on, how legal this whole thing was.
I for one am wholly pacifistic, but exactly for this, I can imagine, that some people are not to be dealt with any other way, and I consider it a bit naive, that you could bring this guy to court.
But still it is worth thinking about it: Would it actually have done some good?

Not if you think in terms of USA vs Terrorist UBL

But if you would think, that you could put this guy in front of the international court in Den Haag, then that might actually have been neat, as you could have said "this guy is evil, what do you all think?"

But either the States will have to get much weaker, or much wiser - and in any case they would have to acknowledge the fact, there is an international court :)

In any case, lets hope, we can actually ONCE in a lifetime live a pacifistic version of behaviour.

What is questionable under international law? If he was, in fact, "assassinated," that qualifies. Heck, that's illegal under US law. But if we're talking about going into Pakistan and taking out the world's most dangerous international terrorist without their permission or cooperation, well, it would seem that we have every reason to believe that they would not cooperate and even suspect that they were harboring and protecting the terrorist. While some may protest on the surface, most civilized nations will be glad we did it.

Tim
 
I wonder where you live - everybody in the States?
I live in Switzerland; all over Europe, there is a big discussion going on, how legal this whole thing was.
I for one am wholly pacifistic, but exactly for this, I can imagine, that some people are not to be dealt with any other way, and I consider it a bit naive, that you could bring this guy to court.
But still it is worth thinking about it: Would it actually have done some good?

Not if you think in terms of USA vs Terrorist UBL

But if you would think, that you could put this guy in front of the international court in Den Haag, then that might actually have been neat, as you could have said "this guy is evil, what do you all think?"

But either the States will have to get much weaker, or much wiser - and in any case they would have to acknowledge the fact, there is an international court :)

In any case, lets hope, we can actually ONCE in a lifetime live a pacifistic version of behaviour.

Interesting view. A few hours after BL was killed, I was talking on the phone with a friend who first brought me that news. In the light of all the news beaming celebrations around the USA (understandably so), I told him I wonder what the responses on other parts of the world would be, and Europe was in my mind. As in the past, there were some disagreement say, in the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq, where France and Germany were critical of Dubya's plan to attack Iraq without a U.N. resolution.

The question of legality will always arise in such cases. But, OTOH, the U.S. can always argue that when BL et al struck the U.S. buildings and killed innocent people, there was no legality either. I'm sure the good people had real good intentions when the U.N. was formed (previously League of Nations), wherein not only legality was espoused but also civility, diplomacy and restraint. But in situations like terrorism which is underground and spread all over, it's hard to battle them with legality. Perhaps what we have here is an undeclared war against terrorism, or maybe it's even declared, and the rules of engagement will be a bit different from regular wars. Here, we have already seen the cries of violation of its sovereignty (by Pakistan) and that alone shows not everything can be done legally, or legitimately. It's really tough to be the Commander-in-Chief in these situations, you just have to make the decision based on the greater good of an entire nation and its people. And I think President Obama did just that.
 
Al-Qaida confirms Osama bin Laden's death


AP/Muhammed Muheisen

By MAGGIE MICHAEL, Associated Press – 50 mins ago
CAIRO – Al-Qaida on Friday confirmed the killing of Osama bin Laden and warned of retaliation, saying Americans' "happiness will turn to sadness."
The confirmation came in an Internet statement posted on militant websites, signed by "the general leadership" of al-Qaida. The announcement opens the way for the group to name a successor to bin Laden. His deputy Ayman al-Zawahri is now the most prominent figure in the group and is a very likely contender to take his place.
The statement, dated May 3, was the first by the terror network since bin Laden was killed Monday by U.S. commandos in a raid on his hideout in Abbottabad, Pakistan. The statement's authenticity could not be independently confirmed, but it was posted on websites where the group traditionally puts out its messages.
"The blood of the holy warrior sheik, Osama bin Laden, God bless him, is too precious to us and to all Muslims to go in vain," the statement said. "We will remain, God willing, a curse chasing the Americans and their agents, following them outside and inside their countries."
"Soon, God willing, their happiness will turn to sadness," it said, "their blood will be mingled with their tears."
There was no indication how the group will retaliate. Rather than making vehement cries of vengeance, the statement — entitled "You lived as a good man, you died as a martyr" — struck a tone of calmness and continuation. Though it included praise of bin Laden, much of the 11-paragraph statement was dedicated to underlining that al-Qaida would live on, depicting him as just another in a line of "martyrs" from the group.
"It is impossible, impossible. Sheik Osama didn't build an organization to die when he dies," the statement read. "The university of faith, Quran and jihad from which bin Laden graduated will not close its doors," it added.
"The soldiers of Islam will continue in groups and united, plotting and planning without getting bored, tired, with determination, without giving up until striking a blow," the statement.
It said bin Laden was killed "along an established path followed by the best of those who came before him and those who will come after him."
In the statement, al-Qaida also called on Pakistanis to rise up in revolt against its leaders to "cleanse the shame." It also said that an audio message bin Laden recorded a week before his death would be issued soon.
 
I rather like this photo from the situation room. One person commented that it reminded him of the cover of Sgt. Pepper's.

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Here is another photo.

"Meantime, a parody cartoon showing the nation's leaders as superheroes shot to the top of Reddit this morning. President Obama makes a pensive Captain America, Vice President Joe Biden a hefty Flash and Clinton a relatively tame Wonder Woman, presumably covering her mouth against Kryptonite germs carried by Brigadier General Marshall B. "Brad" Webb as Superman. The headline: "That's why bin Laden had no chance to escape.""



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