Playing with some great toys - Comparing 5 phono stages in my home system

[Rotatoubib]

Do you know if there is a XLR input ?

 

[Zeotrope]

There should be, I will ask Rene now.

 

[Rotatoubib]

Thank you so much; it’s mandatory for me, as my phono cable is XLR and captive

 

[Zeotrope]

Thank you so much; it’s mandatory for me, as my phono cable is XLR and captive

My pleasure! I’ll let you know what he says.

BTW, here’s what he said about the transformers:

The transformer is out of this world … a very relaxed 26 dB of passive gain with no RF radio frequency, and after that 3x tubes per channel for the rest.

 

[Zeotrope]

Thank you so much; it’s mandatory for me, as my phono cable is XLR and captive

Reply from Rene:
“We evaluated it and offer direct on the RCA connection to be symétric (balanced) or Asymétric (Unbalanced) the sound is better Asymétric like it is also with Classic PHONO.”

 

[Rotatoubib]

Reply from Rene:
“We evaluated it and offer direct on the RCA connection to be symétric (balanced) or Asymétric (Unbalanced) the sound is better Asymétric like it is also with Classic PHONO.”

Thank you for asking ! So, if I understand well, no XLR input ?

 

[Zeotrope]

Thank you for asking ! So, if I understand well, no XLR input ?

Correct, that’s my understanding. And he said it’s the same the Classic Phono which has XLR outputs but only RCA inputs.
A cartridge output is inherently balanced anyway, so even with RCA plugs, the signal is balanced (that‘s my understanding). But I understand that if you already have an XLR phono cable, you would want to continue using it…

More from Nagra:
“Yes the cartridge is balanced but the inductance from the transformer is more when it is Symétrcal compare to Asymétric and this changes the sound quality. Balanced is only interesting when you have very long cable.”

Hope this helps.

 

[Rotatoubib]

Correct, that’s my understanding. And he said it’s the same the Classic Phono which has XLR outputs but only RCA inputs.
A cartridge output is inherently balanced anyway, so even with RCA plugs, the signal is balanced (that‘s my understanding). But I understand that if you already have an XLR phono cable, you would want to continue using it…

The problem is that my phono cable is a captive one, if I want to have RCA input I have to send the Raven tonearm to TW Acustics ( and remove the Nagra cartridge ). Very curious that Nagra didn't put XLR input on its new flagship pre phono. I will have to consider CH Precision P10 instead

 

[Massimo66]

Ho confrontato Ypsilon con Allnic 7000 con KR recti, Ypsilon SUT e Lyra Atlas. L'Ypsilon ha leggermente più alti, più puliti... Allnic con i retti ribaltati ha più energia e flusso sui mediobassi. Dato che il 7000 nel mercato dell'usato è molto più economico e non si perde denaro scambiandolo dentro e fuori, lo comprerei. Ma visto che hai già la Ypsilon, puoi restare. Una cosa su Allnic, però, è sempre molto coinvolgente dal punto di vista emotivo una volta che hai inserito le valvole giuste.

Ciao Bonzo, ti chiedo un consiglio perché ho visto che conosci bene sia l'allnic 7000 che l'ypsilo mc 10 sut.
Ho un emt jsd 6 platino e ho l'h 7000V allnic con recti KR. Ho provato a impostare il carico partendo da 19 ohm poi a 29 ohm ma con il sut con rapporto 1/40 (bassi devastanti ma sugli alti urlava un po' troppo, lame di rasoio) poi prova dopo prova ho trovato un buon bilanciamento a 50 ohm con il rapporto 1/20 sut (usando il rapporto 1/10 dell'Allnic l'ho tirato troppo come carico ed è tornato a non avere un bilanciamento tonale. Ho la possibilità di acquistare un Ypsilon MC 10 sut , (rapporto di carico 1/10 con possibilità di variare con i connettori di carico) in base alla vostra esperienza cosa consigliate.

 

[bonzo75]

Ciao Bonzo, ti chiedo un consiglio perché ho visto che conosci bene sia l'allnic 7000 che l'ypsilo mc 10 sut.
Ho un emt jsd 6 platino e ho l'h 7000V allnic con recti KR. Ho provato a impostare il carico partendo da 19 ohm poi a 29 ohm ma con il sut con rapporto 1/40 (bassi devastanti ma sugli alti urlava un po' troppo, lame di rasoio) poi prova dopo prova ho trovato un buon bilanciamento a 50 ohm con il rapporto 1/20 sut (usando il rapporto 1/10 dell'Allnic l'ho tirato troppo come carico ed è tornato a non avere un bilanciamento tonale. Ho la possibilità di acquistare un Ypsilon MC 10 sut , (rapporto di carico 1/10 con possibilità di variare con i connettori di carico) in base alla vostra esperienza cosa consigliate.

Hi I haven't compared the SUTs - with Allnic 7000 vs Ypsilon we had the Ypsilon SUT into Ypsilon. Have you tried going directly into the Allnic with the JSD 6 without the SUT?

 

[Nemal1]

If you are looking for an xlr in and output, the Esoteric E-02 has both

 

[Massimo66]

Hi I haven't compared the SUTs - with Allnic 7000 vs Ypsilon we had the Ypsilon SUT into Ypsilon. Have you tried going directly into the Allnic with the JSD 6 without the SUT?

Thanks for the very quick response. Yes, I tried but the mm input is too low even for the emt 6 platinum, also because of my rellators (82 db) and on the mc you can't exclude the sut. having seen that by lowering the ratio the sound acquires refinement, all I have to do is buy the Ypsilon sut based on my intuition or pray on my knees if the shopkeeper lets me do an audition at home. And as we say, this shopkeeper is "not a saint who sweats"

 

[bonzo75]

Thanks for the very quick response. Yes, I tried but the mm input is too low even for the emt 6 platinum, also because of my rellators (82 db) and on the mc you can't exclude the sut. having seen that by lowering the ratio the sound acquires refinement, all I have to do is buy the Ypsilon sut based on my intuition or pray on my knees if the shopkeeper lets me do an audition at home. And as we say, this shopkeeper is "not a saint who sweats"

just try another cartridge then