I had once dp 70 cd wonderful machine and a 50 class A. one kilogram per watt, built to last forever with Martin Logan speakers.
Probably moving to Europe, how do I change my system?
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Exactly what means grey market. Grey marketing is legal, with a few exceptions due to local certification requirements.
The main issues with grey market are warranties and service - some local distributors refuse to service products that were not sold through their sales network or charge such service at high prices. Many of the complain stories we read about service in the net are due to strange buying arrangements.
Audiophiles should remember that most modern equipment is filled with custom microprocessors and displays - impossible to service without the manufacturer support. It is not as in the old days, where it was just a question of replacing resistors, capacitors, transistors or tubes!
That may be so, but it doesn't really interest me as I've never bought a new device before. The loss in value is too high.
That's why I don't like modern stuff, always SMD in there. Terrible to repair, working under the microscope with tweezers to place components. Not a nice job. I buy good old things, they don't sound any worse if you've given them a refresh. For example, an Accuphase A 50 is one of the best on the market today, in my opinion.
I many times do the same, but some equipment I wanted was too new for be available at a nice price in the used market.
Yes, but skilled people with the proper tooling and knowledge make it look as new.
Probably a great amplifier but Accuphase use hybrid customs analog IC's - you depend on the manufacturer in case of trouble. They are know to be reliable, but it is not the best choice to get in grey market conditions in Europe.
Good question. Perhaps it is worth the extra expense to ship the components by air freight and the speakers by sea. The speakers have their own shipping crates as does the Colosseum amplifier.
Or, does it all go in the container?
What do you think?
What else is going into the container?
My last sets of speakers, and electronics I shipped via air.
Decades ago it all went in a container.
Shipper ship stuff for a living, and things generally arrive unmolested.
If you are taking a while to get set up house, then the container is probably better as they get there later.
Just filling a refrigerator and spice rack, and shelves can take thousands. And if you need the fridge, then that is more.
Add in towels, and furniture, you end up with a fair amount of work in the various shops.
One should be able to argue that selling it all is not a bad option.
Last move we did 2 containers… Probably should have gotten rid of more stuff.
There are no right answers, but you said earlier that…
Thanks for the review!
I’ll tell my wife so she doesn’t continue her campaign to get me to sell the system.
One should be able to argue that just selling it all and going with a simpler system is also a viable option.
(I showed the mrs some new electronics and she said, they at least look better than the old stuff, and the same for the speakers.).
But again, there is no right answer here.
Any 1/2 way decent shop can get the Accuphase going, and you got Gryphon to agree to do their part.
Sell the US power conditioner, and all the various cables, or get the cables reterminated with Shucko plugs on the male ends when you get there.
If you end up with problems then address them as they are found.
You do not need to fix anything, nor fix some apartment wiring, if you are not actually in that apartment yet.
If you are not enjoying the whole moving process, then IMO you are not doing it right.
(IMO) Just focus on the Mrs, focus on getting the house in order, and focus on finding a bistro near by… and focus on shying away from the locations of the racial riots.
Quite. That is what I would expect anyone to do, hence the ref to an electrician. Nevertheless, it is useful to put it in so many words, so thanks.
In my case the resulting sound was subjectively superior (I probably have a high-ish dc component). This excercise will lower the power you can draw.
I think it partly depends on when the container “travel” and where and for how long time it’s stored prior leaving. Stored in a humid or dry location? A container travelling during the winter might not be optimal for expensive electronics / loudspeakers when temperatures can go well below zero degrees. Then is it a full container or break bulk….
Does anybody still ship break bulk? I spent four years writing code to model container shipping.
My understanding of break bulk is that it was the old way of shipping where you threw everything into the hold, and fished it out when you got there. It was inefficient, and, of course, a lot of stuff was stolen.
With containers, you don't know if one has waste cardboard or flat screen TVs.
I think it might be better to ship all of the expensive electronics by air and let the speakers go into the container. I will also have a piano and household goods in the container. I think we can fit into a 20foot container, which is 20 feet by 8 feet by 8 feet 6 inches.
Shipping a 20 foot container can cost around $12k.
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Interesting. Putting two of such boxes in series is equivalent to removing half of the capacitors, increasing your mains impedance at 60 Hz - similar to using lower gauge power cables.
In this hobby we learn new things everyday.
Might not have been clear. Was thinking of deliveries when you don’t have enough stuff for a full container and it does not make sense for an air transport.. So the forwarder use one container for several deliveries. Might not exist now but did before.
Yeah, I think that is called a partial container load. The shipper unpacks and packs the container to service multiple people. By the way, we are not allowed to pack anything. We just point and they pack. This is so they she can create an accurate customs document.
This book tells the fascinating story of how container shipping came into existence. It seems obvious now but was not at the time.
The Box
Yeah - there are 1/2 sized containers, and something called maybe “lockers” or “closets” that are boxes that fill a container.
Basically internal sizes that make it easier to fork load something like 2 cubic meter volumes into a container, or into storage.
It’s fascinating how container shipping came into being.
Malcom McLean owned a trucking company. One day he was stuck in traffic on route 95. He realized that he was losing money because his trucks were stuck in the same traffic.
He looked out his side window and saw a ship sailing along the coast. He realized that ships could move when trucks were stuck. So, he decided to buy a shipping company.
At that time, you couldn’t own both a trucking company and a shipping company so he sold the former and immediately bought the latter.
He bought old WWII ships and started building racks below deck to hold truck bodies. They didn’t know how tight to make the racks so they put modeling clay in the racks and sailed the ship to see how much the containers moved.
After they had that worked out, they ran right up against organized labor. Perhaps a dozen workers were used to unload, making it expensive. He managed to cut deals with the labor unions to get cranes in ports and reduce how many workers were used to unload.
He created a fund to pay longshoremen to stay home.
His company was called SeaLand. Eventually, it was sold to Maersk.
There is no doubt that he changed the world.
Malcom McLean Wiki
Malcom McLean owned a trucking company. One day he was stuck in traffic on route 95. He realized that he was losing money because his trucks were stuck in the same traffic.
He looked out his side window and saw a ship sailing along the coast. He realized that ships could move when trucks were stuck. So, he decided to buy a shipping company.
At that time, you couldn’t own both a trucking company and a shipping company so he sold the former and immediately bought the latter.
He bought old WWII ships and started building racks below deck to hold truck bodies. They didn’t know how tight to make the racks so they put modeling clay in the racks and sailed the ship to see how much the containers moved.
After they had that worked out, they ran right up against organized labor. Perhaps a dozen workers were used to unload, making it expensive. He managed to cut deals with the labor unions to get cranes in ports and reduce how many workers were used to unload.
He created a fund to pay longshoremen to stay home.
His company was called SeaLand. Eventually, it was sold to Maersk.
There is no doubt that he changed the world.
Malcom McLean Wiki
True, I have never packed myself when “changing” countries. Also an insurance question .
The shipper, which is not the company with the ship, offered to sell us insurance. My recollection is that the company with the ship reimburses you $100 per container, lol.
It just means you have to secure third party insurance. After all, you know what it is worth.
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