Probably moving to Europe, how do I change my system?

[LarryK]

If possible yes. Not sure where you live but within EU there are strict electrical roules. Everything “touching” electricity must be CE certificated. So if the supplier of the power cord confirm that it would be possible to change to Schuko plugs and maybe also the female ones.
My self I always buy products using electricity from EU based suppliers. Then the seller has the responsibility. If I buy from non EU countries I am, as the importer, have the responsibility. Insurance.
Nevertheless I should be careful.

I bought this power cord for the Colosseum back in 2019 from https://cullencable.com/crossover-series-ii/
and SonarQuest Carbon Gold plugs.

it seems like Gryphon will change the female end that is under the amp.

Who makes decent power cords in Europe?

1 - 8ft Crossover Series II Power Cable with Gold Carbon Connectors $329 Your price $319

 

[TooCool4]

Just get Furutech plugs when you get to France, then change the ends of your cables yourself, that is what I would do.

 

[Lagonda]

Just get Furutech plugs when you get to France, then change the ends of your cables yourself, that is what I would do.

Or get a decent american plug power bar and connect it to the outlet with a european cable. All my cables are american plug, i prefer the larger contact area on them and did not want to buy all new cables.

 

[A-Line]

I use cheap, but with very good results, (Volex #17504) molded power chords. I got them from the UK Crimson Electronics manufacturer. There's many options for adapter plugs also.

The issues appear to be converting the electronics voltage from American to European.
It would seem to me that any reputable manufacturer ought to be able to provide this service.

 

[LarryK]

Or get a decent american plug power bar and connect it to the outlet with a european cable. All my cables are american plug, i prefer the larger contact area on them and did not want to buy all new cables.

Well, I’m probably going to buy a power conditioner unit for Europe, either Audioquest or the one from Gryphon, but that’s an interesting idea.

 

[Lagonda]

Well, I’m probably going to buy a power conditioner unit for Europe, either Audioquest or the one from Gryphon, but that’s an interesting idea.

I have taken it one step further, i have pulled 16 amp solid copper installation cables directly from the fuse-box and wired them to these power bars internally. Not up to code, but i don't really care.

 

[DasguteOhr]

I have taken it one step further, i have pulled 16 amp solid copper installation cables directly from the fuse-box and wired them to these power bars internally. Not up to code, but i don't really care. View attachment 143211

You'll definitely get a place for that later on in electrical regulations hell.
I have done it too..that's why I know this so well.

 

[Lagonda]

You'll definitely get a place for that later on in electrical regulations hell.
I have done it too..that's why I know this so well.

No electricians allowed at my house !

 

[Holmz]

If possible yes. Not sure where you live but within EU there are strict electrical roules. Everything “touching” electricity must be CE

Chinese CE or Eu CE?

certificated. So if the supplier of the power cord confirm that it would be possible to change to Schuko plugs and maybe also the female ones.
My self I always buy products using electricity from EU based suppliers. Then the seller has the responsibility. If I buy from non EU countries I am, as the importer, have the responsibility. Insurance.
Nevertheless I should be careful.

Every hardware shop sells the components of sockets, plugs, cables, etc, and new houses are running lights and not candles.

That said, in Australia one is supposed to have a compliance test on power cords inside businesses.
So every computer cord etc gets a :tag-n-test sticker.

What is Test & Tag?

We explain everything you need to know about testing and tagging in Australia, from the Standard, Intervals, Test & Tag Colours and Competent Person.

www.testandtagtraining.com.au

Every supplier makes and sells the high-end stuff in copper, rhodium, etc, and in US, Au, and Eu styles.
And every audio manufacture is using a combination of that stuff to make up power cords.

One could use (griffin) factory cables, or send the current cables back to the manufacture for retermination… or at least try and see if they do that.

 

[Holmz]

Following this logic, I could wind up with just a Bluetooth speaker.

Imagine the horror.

When you are done, you might have wished that you did just that

 

[aangen]

Following this logic, I could wind up with just a Bluetooth speaker.

Imagine the horror.

And think of the storage space you could save going back to MP3's.

 

[LarryK]

When you are done, you might have wished that you did just that

I would never wish for such a thing.

My system brings the dead back to life.

 

[LarryK]

And think of the storage space you could save going back to MP3's.

I stream lossless from Tidal and Qobuz under Roon to an Aqua Formula DAC. It sounds good but I also like my Accuphase T-1000 FM tuner, my Accuphase CD player, and my Michell GyroDec turntable.

 

[Gunnar]

Chinese CE or Eu CE?


Every hardware shop sells the components of sockets, plugs, cables, etc, and new houses are running lights and not candles.

That said, in Australia one is supposed to have a compliance test on power cords inside businesses.
So every computer cord etc gets a :tag-n-test sticker.

What is Test & Tag?

We explain everything you need to know about testing and tagging in Australia, from the Standard, Intervals, Test & Tag Colours and Competent Person.

www.testandtagtraining.com.au

Every supplier makes and sells the high-end stuff in copper, rhodium, etc, and in US, Au, and Eu styles.
And every audio manufacture is using a combination of that stuff to make up power cords.

One could use (griffin) factory cables, or send the current cables back to the manufacture for retermination… or at least try and see if they do that.

EU certificate of course. Used within EU. If you are interested read the following.

CE marking - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

EU looks more complicated than Australia.

 

[Gunnar]

I bought this power cord for the Colosseum back in 2019 from https://cullencable.com/crossover-series-ii/
and SonarQuest Carbon Gold plugs.

it seems like Gryphon will change the female end that is under the amp.

Who makes decent power cords in Europe?

Power cords? As you can see on my profile my principal power cords are three OePhi Reference. Expensive but for me worth it. OePhi is a Danish company. They have also cheaper power cords.

Apart from them you have the French cable maker Esprit. My brother in law likes them. Also Chord and Vertere are well seen or why not Furutech. There are a quite a few good ones available in Europe. Difficult to choose. I went for OePhi on the recommendation from a friend who tested them against Chord. His conclusion, with my words, -For the cost of two Chord cables you get three OePhi cords with the same “performance”-.

Why don’t ask Gryphon what they recommend as power cords.

Esprit you can buy in Lyon. They dealer in Lyon also sell the LPS from Farad. If you need a LPS I can strongly recommend yhe Super3 or the Super6. Which one of them depends on where it’s used and the budget.

 

[Holmz]

EU certificate of course. Used within EU. If you are interested read the following.

CE marking - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

EU looks more complicated than Australia.

You’ll see that they are not overly dissimilar at all glance.

 

[LarryK]

Power cords? As you can see on my profile my principal power cords are three OePhi Reference. Expensive but for me worth it. OePhi is a Danish company. They have also cheaper power cords.

Apart from them you have the French cable maker Esprit. My brother in law likes them. Also Chord and Vertere are well seen or why not Furutech. There are a quite a few good ones available in Europe. Difficult to choose. I went for OePhi on the recommendation from a friend who tested them against Chord. His conclusion, with my words, -For the cost of two Chord cables you get three OePhi cords with the same “performance”-.

Why don’t ask Gryphon what they recommend as power cords.

Esprit you can buy in Lyon. They dealer in Lyon also sell the LPS from Farad. If you need a LPS I can strongly recommend yhe Super3 or the Super6. Which one of them depends on where it’s used and the budget.

Thanks for the recommendations!

I will ask Gryphon.

I’m not looking for a linear power supply but a power conditioning unit like the AudioQuest 5000, which is available in Europe, and is what I am currently using in the states.

Gryphon also makes such a unit, the PowerZone.

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I’m curious what I need in terms of the amperage on the outlet to drive my Colosseum in Europe.

 

[Tandem]

I would never wish for such a thing.

My system brings the dead back to life.

Are you using Lazarus hifi? It's a good thing you don't go to Paris, we don't need the catacombs to start going on strike as well.

For the amperage, if I remember well, walls plugs are 16 amp but kitchen plugs can now go to 32, and there might be a 32 amp plug in the living room if the previous owner did his things right.

It's great to know Gryphon handle the conversion ! I should think 16 amp should be fair for the Colosseum but better ask.

For power cords, I would be using zavfino/furutech or major power cords from USA. I know I prefer my zavfino power cord to my Gigawatt power cord for instance, and it was well seen here. But Gunnar post makes me think I never tried Esprit for cables so I prefer to indicate it.

 

[LarryK]

Are you using Lazarus hifi? It's a good thing you don't go to Paris, we don't need the catacombs to start going on strike as well.

For the amperage, if I remember well, walls plugs are 16 amp but kitchen plugs can now go to 32, and there might be a 32 amp plug in the living room if the previous owner did his things right.

It's great to know Gryphon handle the conversion ! I should think 16 amp should be fair for the Colosseum but better ask.

For power cords, I would be using zavfino/furutech or major power cords from USA. I know I prefer my zavfino power cord to my Gigawatt power cord for instance, and it was well seen here. But Gunnar post makes me think I never tried Esprit for cables so I prefer to indicate it.

My wife studied in Paris and lived not far from the catacombs. We won’t be moving to Paris, so, don’t fear, I won’t raise the dead.

Somehow, I doubt I’ll find a 32 amp plug in the living room but maybe I can get away with a 16 amp plug and a power conditioning unit.

The Audioquest 5000EU version says maximum of 16 amps for the input. It provides a buffer that allows an 80A reserve for amplifiers.

https://www.hifihuone.fi/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Niagara-5000-Manual-EU.pdf

The Gryphon PowerZone models seem to require either one or two 20 amp outlets.

https://gryphon-audio.dk/wp-content/uploads/PowerZone-3-Manual-v.1.0.pdf

The two outlet model is said to be able to handle the Apex mono blocks, I believe.

 

[Tandem]

Oh, so you are gonna discover new parts of the country ! Well, you can raise the dead in Lyon, they'll only go to restaurants (I remember my granny going there and shipping us some sausage and food to have some taste of the gastronomy motherland while being in another part of France).

I am not sure the power conditioning unit can be up to the task if it's fed from a 16 amp, and have to deal with at least 4 amp missing. Better to make a special plug there honnestly as it's truly unsure as you stated you might have a 32 amp ready. The only issue is that workers are gonna smell money due to the rarity of such demand and might ask more money than they should.

Better to ask to Audioquest if it can cope, and I do wish for you it will but keep the special plug in mind in case Audioquest replies negatively. I remember they answer pretty fast but it was years ago and we were discussion cable, it was a very good teaching.

Otherwhise, I can ask to the distributor of Gryphon for France as they should know about it. On the distributor, I see there is also a shop in Lyon that is an authorized dealer.

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