Offered is „LYRA“ by Rockport Technologies as second-hand device from the category „Standing Speaker“ on audio-markt.de - the online market place for high-end. The advert with the number 2958680964 ends on 09.11.2024 at 16:50 o'clock.
Exactly.
Rockport dealers give 5 % discount on order or upto 7% for long term customers. They just cannot give more in Europe including VAT.
That is 223.000 Euro to pay in most optimal scenario.
So those guys will lose about 100.000 Euro on this resell.
Whoever buys it will get something extraordinary and crazy cheap.
How do you know?
Depends what they bought it for .
If this was a dealer demo sale that might be the case , but in case of a trade in they might have made a profit .
Ps Not to take anything away from the Lyra as i think its in the top 3 of transducers one can buy ( regardless of price ).
Miles above other Rockports imo
Orion has not really impressed me yet in Munich , id like to hear them in a good dealer set up
i Think the clear implication was that Rockport's sell at a huge profit margin so that selling them for half price still makes money for the dealer. Rockport, believe it or not, does not make a ton of profit. It's a small company with a lot of expenses. Dealers typically have a little higher margin on speakers than other items but not 50%. The sellers could obviously be making money on the transaction but that is not what the poster was implying unless I'm misreading the post. BTW please listen to Orion again. I'd be shocked if you clearly thought the Lyra was leagues better. Similar sound. Detail vs incisiveness. Different room coupling with the woofers. All personal taste.
Whatever it is and who paid the price it is the first time in history Someone offers used Lyra.
Those speakers were never offered officially on a used market.
It is an endgame speaker in every way so that’s a reason I think.
i Think the clear implication was that Rockport's sell at a huge profit margin so that selling them for half price still makes money for the dealer. Rockport, believe it or not, does not make a ton of profit. It's a small company with a lot of expenses. Dealers typically have a little higher margin on speakers than other items but not 50%. The sellers could obviously be making money on the transaction but that is not what the poster was implying unless I'm misreading the post. BTW please listen to Orion again. I'd be shocked if you clearly thought the Lyra was leagues better. Similar sound. Detail vs incisiveness. Different room coupling with the woofers. All personal taste.
My Orion's are probably 2-3 weeks or less from delivery. Can you elaborate on the bass coupling of the Orions v Lyra? I currently have Cygnus had have the woofers around 78 inches from the front wall. My room is 15.5 ft w x 21.5 ft L x 9 ft H. Have them on the 15.5 foot wall out into the room. The bass is great with the dual woofer Cygnus, albeit just a tad boomy at times. With the one 13 once woofer in the Orion, based on your experience, how do you think the bass response might be? I'm prepared to move the Orion's around a bit from my current Cygnus placement.
Thanks and I will keep everyone posted once they arrive and get set up. I'll take lots of pics!
A dealer needs incentive to carry a brant with a small market. I can say just from reselling speakers online by the responses that when speakers get above $10k interest falls off considerably. So, why would a shop carry a line of speakers that they might sell 3-4 units annually with a small margin? Love of the game, really. Sorry, maybe I've been had 1 too many times I'm not buying the small margin line. I've had dealers approach me with the cost of floorspace to justify their numbers and while I can comprehend that angle I still think 'cry me a river'. Starting out swinging a 16 lb sledgehammer for $25 an 8 hour day(I know, who's crying now) offered me some perspective for the value of a dollar and paying retail for ANYTHING infuriates me. Rockport, like several other brands in hifi are the Rolex of hifi, Does anyone really think $250.00 Oakley sunglasses have a small markup because......
Phil I just saw your post. I can't tell you in advance how the Orions woofers will couple to your room. I will promise you that having experts set them up and spending 1 to two 8 hour days doing so will pay off.
Yesterday my local dealer arrived with the Rockport Orions that I've had on order. First of all, the professionalism and service Jeff Harris from Reference Analog provided was second to none. I've been pretty deep in the hobby for 30 years and I've never had a dealer more knowledgeable about a product and never seem rushed to do everything from delivery, un-crating and set up so well.
The Orions are indeed fantastic loudspeakers. They replaced my Rockport Cygnus, which are absolutely no second-fiddle speakers themselves. Right out of the crates, the Orion's were amazing. I've never had a loudspeaker throughout the frequency spectrum do everything so well. Compared to the Cygnus, the images had much more air around them and deep into the recesses of the soundstage, images remained 3D inside a holographic soundstage with body and texture. The combination of such a 'rich and velvet' sounding tweeter and midrange were equalled by incredible macro and microdynamics. Extension and detail were all there in spades too. Its rare in my experience to get such warm and natural sounding mids and highs, yet retain great dynamics and detail - the Orions do both amazingly well. The bass response was incredible with the 13 inch driver. Compared to Cygnus in my room, the bass reached lower, was more textured and remained fast and nimble. The room pressurized at just the right amount, never feeling boomy or wooly sounding. I have yet to finalize set up, but I can't imagine it getting much better than this!
Currently in my 15.5 ft x 21.5 ft x 9 ft room, I have the Orions 69 inches from the front wall, 98 inches apart, and 34 inches from each side wall. Listening position is approximately 149 inches from tweeters to my ears. Tow-in is slightly less acute than I had with Cygnus, with the tweeters firing around 6-8 inches lateral from my shoulders when sitting in my listening chair.
I am loving them so far and have zero regrets getting the Orions. Fantastic company and fantastic dealer - thanks both to Rockport Technologies and Reference Analog (Jeff Harris)!